Abolish the Income Tax: Steve Forbes and Peter Schiff

Discussion in 'Economics' started by achilles28, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. aegis

    aegis

    While I don't support the consumption tax, your concern regarding higher priced items is slightly irrelevant because every man, woman, and child would receive a monthly prebate in order to help cover living expenses up to the poverty level. Yes, even the wealthy would receive monthly disbursements. Because the embedded income tax would disappear from each good and service, prices wouldn't increase by much.

    Unfortunately, it sounds too good to be true. Say you earn $2 million a year. You can live pretty well spending $1 million, and as a result pay a mere 11 percent of that year's income in taxes. If the very rich pay less, that means more of the total tax burden in any year has to fall on somebody else, most likely the middle class. Reasonable people can disagree about whether this really matters -- over time, a consumption tax only appears more progressive because the rich savers or their descendants eventually spend the money and get taxed.
     
    #111     Apr 16, 2010
  2. Most of those who scream in favor of abolishing income tax want to just play wealthy people protectors.

    Most wealthy people understand that their wealth does not come from the skies but from the consuption of middle and lower class poeple. They have no objections to be paying income tax as long as it does not go over a certain level. Most wealthy people also understand that a mere consumption tax is unfair to most people and endagers their futures profit potential.
     
    #112     Apr 17, 2010
  3. US income tax system is the best tax system in the world

    Visit Europe and then a third world country, and you will understand

    Best system ever

    Some idiots are complaining about tax codes. You can tell they have never used computer and internet for their taxes

    The number of idiots in this forum is mind boggling to me.
     
    #113     Apr 17, 2010
  4. Lethn

    Lethn

    The reason tax will never be 'fair' is one, no one is ever going to pay the same thing because the government are made up of human beings too and are all looking to pay themselves. Two, people are forced to pay taxes, if you refuse to pay taxes you either get fined or go to jail! I'm amazed people can't see the wrongness in this, for some god damn reason we have people growing up thinking that it is the governments god given right to take our money.

    I'm not rich and I hate the idea of taxes and I'm actually one poor motherfucker who hasn't even gotten a real income yet and I live in a middle class family. The ironic part of all this chest beating over 'rich' people paying taxes is that it is in fact the middle class who get taxed the most and I think you have to be complete morons to support this kind of system purely for the reason that it doesn't do what people who support it say it is.

    It reminds me very much of kings and dictators where they always thought that they had some god-given right to rule the country they were in and lord over people. That isn't the damn case anymore because the government is supposed to be representing the people and all they are representing now is corruption, ignorance and arrogance.
     
    #114     Apr 17, 2010
  5. Buzzed

    Buzzed

    U.S. tax code shouldn't be complicated.

    10% on net income both personal and corporate, including all capital gains, no more tax shelters
    10% sales tax, including food
    10% service tax, this includes fees & commisions

    $10.00 x (acres - easements) x (number of people per square mile) = property taxes owed per year

    No tax credits. No tax returns.
     
    #115     Apr 18, 2010
  6. ABOLISH INCOME TAX = ABOLISH THE US ARMY
     
    #116     Apr 18, 2010
  7. So do you think a hobo should pay the same annual tax as a billionaire? The latter benefits much more from law & order, security, courts etc, as it is the only thing stopping his wealth from being stolen. The hobo benefits almost zero - no car, no contracts to enforce, no wealth to protect.

    IMO a flat % tax is the most fair, not a true flat tax i.e. the same X per annum per person regardless of earnings.
     
    #117     Apr 18, 2010
  8. You could probably have a flat 15% tax on all incomes, business profits, capital gains, consumption/VAT, and import tariffs. Instead of capricious property taxes, make it a fixed 15% of rentable value (i.e. if it would rent for 1k a month, tax it 150 a month).

    Govt spending should be determined by desired tax rates, not the other way round.
     
    #118     Apr 18, 2010
  9. #119     Apr 19, 2010