A Self Made Man - Myth Or Reality ?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Nobert, Jul 29, 2021.

Self Made Man - Is It True ?

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  1. Yes, each one is a self made man.

    33.3%
  2. There is no such thing as a self made man.

    6.7%
  3. Well, it's more like 50/50

    60.0%
  1. We all are one book away from being as smart as William Sidis, even if the IQ test says different.
     
    #21     Jul 29, 2021
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  2. smoff

    smoff

    You waste your time, I waste my time.
     
    #22     Jul 29, 2021
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  3. Poljot

    Poljot

    It is both luck and persistence/skill imo.
    We have a proverb like this: "Luck needs your help".
    Persistence opens new doors and opportunities not available to idle men.
    Sadio Mané is a good example.

    The element of luck is as inseparable from the operation of the market as the element of skill.-
    Hayek

    I also recommend this paper as a further reading on the topic; they actually did the math:

    Talent vs Luck: the role of randomness in success and failure
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.07068.pdf

    quote: "...In particular,we show that,if it is true that
    some degree of talent is necessary to be successful in life, almost never the most talented
    people reach the highest peaks of success, being overtaken by mediocre but sensibly luckier
    individuals."
     
    #23     Jul 29, 2021
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  4. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    The less young I become the more I believe that most self made men will agree - they were just more stupid than most to keep pursuing that opportunity that eventually made them rich.

    Val
     
    #24     Jul 30, 2021
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  5. Nobert

    Nobert

    That one, relentless weirdo, in the whoooole family, whos chasing his dreams & eventually succeeds.

    And you said it well, like, when someone asks :
    ,,- Why didn't you stop ?
    - I was just, too stupid to stop"
     
    #25     Jul 30, 2021
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  6. Craig66

    Craig66

    There is a lot of truth here. At a certain point one realizes one has no more choice.
    But I must qualify that this is working toward a definable goal, not just random thrashing.
     
    #26     Jul 30, 2021
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  7. Fortune favors the bold and fortune favors the prepared. we are all given opportunities to take or refuse. given a relatively level starting point (something that is absolutely not the case), it will be decisions that determine ones success.
     
    #27     Aug 2, 2021
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  8. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    Bravo Post!!!!
     
    #28     Aug 2, 2021
  9. Nobert

    Nobert

    Well,
    the thread was a success.

    Improved perspective.

    And the poll is gonna be open for another 999 months, for me and others once they will change their mind.
     
    #29     Aug 3, 2021
  10. if a person is really engaged in self-development and tries to correct his mistakes himself, then this is great, such people will succeed a lot
     
    #30     Aug 5, 2021
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