A Retail's Day Trading Experiment

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ironchef, Sep 20, 2023.

  1. traider

    traider

    You still have to check what is your hit rate on this
     
    #101     Sep 24, 2023
  2. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    I still have overtrading problems so my win rate is a little over 50% in general. Since I only use very tight stops (predetermined hard stop or timed stop usually with 5-10 mins) entry timing becomes critical.

    Now my biggest issue is loss control. For example, I can be positive every day for a week or two and suddenly one bad trade I couldn’t get out on timed stop, either because I am convinced that I am right or due to psychological reasons, that one bad trade wipes out all previous winnings.

    Does that sound familiar? LOL And that’s why I said before human psychology and mindset are the last tough barriers to successful trading. The market is “designed” to be against human nature. Ourselves are our ultimate enemy.

    To help fight ourselves discipline is crucial, but if you’re not at 100% discipline level sooner or later you will get chopped big time.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2023
    #102     Sep 24, 2023
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  3. Bad_Badness

    Bad_Badness

    Practice taking a loss early and small. There is always another trade in the future. Early is the hard part. Better to get close to BE on a trade that has mostly downside after the entry, even if it *might* go positive, and unlikely it will go big positive. Let that sink in. Seriously.

    But it sounds like, your tight stops are not working for your mindset. They are OK until they are not and then things fall apart. The issues is, you have a plan that you cannot follow because the pain is not managed by the tight stops. Then you avoid the pain and take a large loss, eventually.

    Not a good way to trade. It is like hiding in a bunker (tight stops), and then going into the war zone outside (tight stop fails), and getting shocked by all the damage going on.
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2023
    #103     Sep 25, 2023
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  4. This is very wise advice. I use Sierra Charts and they have a statistic that shows the average open profit on your losing trades and the average open loss on your profitable trades. It is amazing that this number is almost identical on both sides. And it is small. It is also consistent over the years. As John Carter has said for the most part a trade is going to be a loss quickly or a profit quickly. My results confirm that.

    That makes "Position Bias" the worst trading sin in my opinion. BB hits it right on target, when you can sense that the trade has mostly downside potential. Get Out. Enjoy the feeling of being flat and out of a risk position. Then look for another entry.
     
    #104     Sep 25, 2023
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    70 trades in 5 days, Win/Loss is 43% but +. A glimmer of hope. :)
     
    #105     Sep 28, 2023
  6. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    Live trades?
     
    #106     Sep 28, 2023
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes. I followed your advice, went live last Friday, with much reduced size trades.

    Profitable but I don't like the win rate.

    Not going to change anything, just press on and see what outcome I will get.
     
    #107     Sep 28, 2023
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  8. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    14 trades/day is quite a lot. I am also struggling with overtrading. Everyday I can see 2-3 good trades afterwards.
     
    #108     Sep 28, 2023
  9. Sprout

    Sprout

    Do what you want but going for higher R:R and lower WR is a better path.

    Many think day trading means you have to be pushing buttons all the time when in reality, as a successful trader, you’re sitting on your hands most of the time.

    Maybe you’re the exception.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2023
    #109     Sep 28, 2023
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  10. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    I agree high R/R ratio is way better than high win rate. Much easier trades and fewer trades.

    In order to achieve a high R/R ratio you got to trade a significant trend. It is mean reversion (reversal) vs. trend.
     
    #110     Sep 28, 2023