A question on ORATS historical options data

Discussion in 'Options' started by Aquarians, Oct 22, 2023.

  1. Matt_ORATS

    Matt_ORATS Sponsor

    THE DATA ABOVE IS NOT ORATS DATA. It was unclear to me and I have confirmed with Aquarians.

    To answer your questions:
    1) Yes, of course, we get a snapshot of underlying price and options at the same time.
    2) No, you can't assess the underlying as stopped moving. We take a snapshot with very fast servers to get the best possible real time picture. You mention 'least a second'. There are very few underlyers that don't move in a second. We take snapshots in miliseconds.

     
    #11     Nov 6, 2023
  2. I've open sourced my code on GitHub while at the same time documenting it's usage on my personal website, Aquarianz.com: https://www.aquarianz.com/

    Chapter 7 (Data Validation) is of special interest here:



    It showcases the technique and algorithms I use for cleaning up the data bought from https://historicaloptiondata.com/

    The algorithm is powerful enough to render what is to start with, useless data, into production-grade backtest material.

    Why I use the strong word "useless"? Because I see advertised on ORATS not just data but also backtests with wonderful results. Well if you test on the original data, those results you get are fake. They don't exist in the real, realtime market data.

    I did access ORATS data at some point and was exactly same (lack of) quality as the one I use. Only more expensive. Which is why I didn't switch.

    I'll push for making my data curation software relatively standard at least in the amateur community. If you run it over your original data and discards a great deal of it then face it, your data is shit. Without cleanup.

    And since the cleanup tool just got published now, what are your clients using now? And how? I'd be very interested to know.
     
    #12     Sep 2, 2024
  3. Heh. I just thought on Bunea's postulate on historical market data. (My real name use here).

    So here it is: If your backtests show you can make money on historical market data then the data is wrong :D Start from that assumption!
     
    #13     Sep 2, 2024
  4. Matt_ORATS

    Matt_ORATS Sponsor

    Can you show an example of ORATS data lacking quality like the one your use? As I have said, we snapshot our stock prices at the same time as the options prices. This method does not compare to your source that you said uses closing prices.

    We have hundreds of users with no complaints like you make.

    We have 181 million backtests now in our servers and not very many are 'wonderful'. I wonder where you are getting these references. Can you show me which backtests you are referring to as wonderful?

     
    #14     Sep 3, 2024
  5. Well not unless you point me to some free sample data on your website. Maybe if I'm in a spending spree someday I'll buy your data ("Historical data (from 2007 - present): $599), so I have two sources to compare and then I'll get back here with observations on it's quality. But right now I don't need it since the one I have is good enough (after cleanup).
     
    #15     Sep 3, 2024
  6. Follow up questions:

    1) Does ORATS also provide just a stocks snapshot (EOD prices)? I would think for a lower subscription price than options...

    2) Besides the instrument's ticker, can ORATS also provide the ISIN? I have an issue with my current provider (who shan't be named here) that some tickers are not recognized by Interactive Brokers (nor YahooFinance). Generally, "symbol", "ticker" or what other particular identification some exchange or broker uses is very particular and the only way to match an instrument between different brokers is an universal naming convention like ISIN.

    For instance I get updated on the ticker "CRD.A", which I've identified myself as being ISIN US2246332066. Interactive Brokers will happily find the ISIN but not the ticker, which they list as "CRD A" with a space rather than a point.
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    #16     Jan 18, 2025
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  7. Matt_ORATS

    Matt_ORATS Sponsor

    We have stock prices and special pricing for ET members but not a special price just for stock prices.
    We use tickers that were present at the time of the snapshot historically.

     
    #17     Jan 18, 2025
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