A new low in Iraq (Warning Unsightly Picture)

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Mvic, Aug 22, 2007.

  1. Mvic


  2. maxpi


    The ME is a zoo, ask anybody from there.
  3. This should not come as a surprise. The animals we are fighting there, be they Sunni Ba'athist insurgents, Shiite militia, or foreign Al Qaeda fighters, have all proven not to be above any kind of horror.

    But be careful, you may be offending those moonbats on this board who think of the perpetrators of this atrocity as "freedom fighters."

    Come to think of it, there are moonbats on this board who wouldn't even quantify what happened to this boy as an "atrocity" to begin with.
  4. They hate us for our freedom of course.
  5. hey lookie here, the usa just hired these 'animals'

    who is is so stupid to believe that both sides arent being played by the oil and arms cartels? keep waving those flags...

    I thought bush said these types of people are terrorists?

    what does the sane, rational and moderate hapaboy think of this??


    At Iraq's front line, U.S. puts ex-foes on payroll

    By Peter Graff

    08/22/07 --- -JURF AS-SAKHR, Iraq (Reuters) - Under a tree by a battlefield road in Iraq's "Triangle of Death," Lieutenant- Colonel Robert Balcavage meets his new recruits.

    The men are Iraqi Sunni Arabs who are about to join the U.S. military's payroll as a local militia. They want guns.

    "I am not giving out guns and ammo," the U.S. commander says. The men listen carefully as the interpreter translates.

    "I've been shot at up here enough times to know that there's plenty of guns and ammo. Me personally. Some of you guys have probably taken some pretty good shots at me."

    Slowly but deliberately, U.S. forces are enlisting groups of armed men -- many probably former insurgents -- and paying cash, a strategy they say has dramatically reduced violence in some of Iraq's most dangerous areas in just weeks.

    It is a rare piece of good news in four years of war, and successes like this are likely to play a prominent part when U.S. commander General David Petraeus makes an eagerly anticipated report to congress in mid-September.

    "People say: 'But you're paying the enemy'. I say: 'You got a better idea?'," says Balcavage. "It's a lot easier to recruit them than to detain or kill them."

    But U.S. forces also say the militia -- dubbed the Concerned Citizens Programme, or CCP, -- is only a temporary measure. If the comparative peace is to hold, the mainly Shi'ite government must offer the fighters real jobs in its army and police force.


    U.S. forces have launched an offensive against Sunni Arab militants and Shi'ite militias following a build-up of U.S. troops to 160,000 aimed at quelling sectarian violence.

    They have partially succeeded, although hundreds of people are still being killed every month.

    Balcavage's territory in the Euphrates River valley south of Baghdad covers the sectarian fault line dividing Sunni Arab western Iraq from the Shi'ite south.

    The lush date-palm groves in the irrigated river valley were a heartland of the Sunni Arab insurgency, while the steaming towns of Iskandariya and Musayyib became a cauldron of sectarian violence and power base of Shi'ite militia.

    Since last October, 23 members of Balcavage's battalion of 800 paratroopers have been killed in the area U.S. troops call the "Triangle of Death."

    But the unit's charts show sudden, unexpected improvements in security in the past few weeks. At one point the battalion was hitting 16 roadside bombs a day but that fell to four last week. Mortar barrages, once constant, have almost ceased.

    The CCP effort is focused on the road leading from the town centre north. A potentially strategic artery linking the region to Baghdad and to the Euphrates valley of Anbar province to the west, it has been sealed off for nearly a year.

    The last time Balcavage's troops went up this road in January, they hit six roadside bombs, had three armored Humvees destroyed and had to fight their way out.

    But as they started moving up the road this week, they were met by a local chieftain, Sheikh Sabah al-Janabi, in white robes with a shiny, chrome-plated pistol holstered at his waist.

    "We are glad to see you," the sheikh told the U.S. colonel, greeting him warmly with a broad smile. "Our men will guard the road. If we receive any shots, please let us answer, not you. We give you our word as we promised."


    The valley's inhabitants are from the Janabi tribe, a Sunni Arab group once favored by Saddam Hussein, who recruited and stationed his feared Medina Division of shock troops here to protect the capital from restive Shi'ites to the south.

    When U.S. occupation authorities dissolved the Iraqi army in 2003, many Janabi returned home -- armed, jobless, angry and fearful, and joined the insurgency.

    But in recent weeks, Janabi leaders have approached the Americans offering to make peace. Balcavage's troops took fingerprint and retina data of nearly 1,000 men in the area.

    Each militia member will earn $370 a month, about 70 percent of the salary of an Iraqi policeman or soldier. Contracts are signed with sheikhs in villages, and each is given authority to hire 150-200 men.

    A chart Balcavage first drew on a napkin and then added to his regular briefing shows the scheme ending by early 2008 with militiamen being incorporated into the Iraqi army and police.

    He stopped to talk to some of the militia as his column of U.S. infantry and mainly Shi'ite Iraqi soldiers made their way into what had been enemy territory. He took the names of two Janabi men who had been officers before the U.S. invasion and promised to try to secure them jobs in the army or police.

    "You should have done this a long time ago," said Abdul Razzaq Homayid, in a frayed robe and sandals, with a beat-up AK-47 on a knotted cord over his shoulder.

    "Your invasion of Iraq brought hardship. Everything was destroyed and we had no salaries. All of these men are unemployed."

    He asks about opening the town centre, rebuilding the health clinic, fixing schools.

    The colonel nods: "We'll get it done. We've got to keep talking and not fighting."
  6. What is it, do you suppose, that they hated about that 5-year-old boy?
  7. You're lumping all the insurgents together, Hapa.

    Some are terrorists (enemies of both the US and Iraqis).

    Others are local militia (enemies to US occupation, not Iraqis).

    According to the Bush War Machine, they're all "Al Queda".

    How many innocent civilians died at the hand of the US invasion?

    How many Iraqi children died from US sanctions prior to the war(Hint: Google Madeleine Albright)?
  8. Mvic


    Maybe a news blackout in Iraq is worth trying. No more journos reporting this stuff, maybe the madmen lose their incentive to perpetrate it. I don't think atrocities like this one and the truck bombings that kill hundreds are for the benefit of the locally affected population as much as they are to make world wide headlines. Its worth a try at any rate.

    Has it been tried in any similar situations and if so what was the outcome?
  9. You probably need to ask your boy bush as he was the one that proffered that ridiculous juvenillia.

  10. Spoken like a true moonbat.
    #10     Aug 23, 2007