A New Kelly Formula

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by kut2k2, May 4, 2015.

  1. Given years' historical data for 500 symbols in SnP500. (2000 rows and 500 columns, e.g.)

    Why don't you try simulation, for profit based on the new formula?

    and compare with plain Kelly.
     
    #21     May 7, 2015
  2. nitro

    nitro

    I think you misunderstand. I think the Kelly Criterion and Optimal-f are useful metrics. Thinking about your strategies both from the point of view of system logic and optimal allocation is correct. What I am suggesting is that the single most important thing to understand when using quantitative strategies is a knowledge of how they can distort reality. This is true up and down the entire technology stack.

    When you know that your suspension can only handle a 150 bank turn, you don't attempt a 200 mph turn. Knowing your tools and their strengths and weaknesses can keep a system out of trouble.
     
    #22     May 8, 2015
  3. interdim

    interdim

    I agree with Nitro...also it seems as if very few have read, let alone understood "The Leveraged Space Model" and where it takes you.
     
    #23     May 8, 2015
  4. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    I never claimed the formula I posted is perfect. All Kelly formulae are necessarily approximations, except for the binary case (i.e., coin flips and the simplest casino bets). The problem with the 'classic' Kelly formula for traders is that it tries to fit the complexity of trading into the binary straitjacket, with silly stats like winrate, average win and average loss. My formula avoided that trap, which is why it produces generally better estimations of true Kelly.

    As far as correlations, that's something I have to work on but there are shortcut techniques that can be imported from the gamblers, e.g., how to resize the Kelly fraction when playing multiple hands of blackjack against the same dealer hand. Of course one can always just go directly to fractional Kelly (half or less) and save a lot of time and effort. Probably still beats the hell out of the 2% rule.

    But I am curious: do you still prefer optimal-f to Kelly?
     
    #24     May 8, 2015
  5. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Last edited: May 9, 2015
    #25     May 9, 2015
  6. Visaria

    Visaria

    your drawdown numbers look wrong. if i start with 750k and i lose 5% and then 5% again, i lose 73125 in total, which is 73.125% of my 100k initial equity, not 61%.
     
    #26     May 14, 2015
  7. Visaria

    Visaria

    actually, scrap that, i get it....you take whatever equity u have left and multiply that by 7.5, to obtain a new account balance.....apols.
     
    #27     May 14, 2015
  8. Amalgam

    Amalgam

    Then why should anyone use it?
     
    #28     Jan 28, 2016
  9. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    The lazy shall remain uninformed.
     
    #29     Jan 29, 2016
  10. Amalgam

    Amalgam

    You're not informing anyone by posting an equation with no explanation or rationale. Do mathematicians publish papers with just their final result?
     
    #30     Jan 29, 2016