A must watch video, Obama's radical tax plan...

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Mvic, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. ok they grew up in middle-class households and saved up to 5 million dollars and grew to become higher middle class [​IMG]

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    "But many modern millionaires live in middle-class neighborhoods, work full-time and shop in discount stores like the rest of us."

    what the fuck that is not rich, that is the description of a fucking poor with a few million in the bank account [​IMG]

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    "To make it onto the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans, a mere billionaire no longer makes the cut. This year you needed a net worth of at least $1.3 billion."

    exactly my point, now that is rich

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    "If more people are getting richer than ever"

    dumb ass Kristyn, it's not called getting rich, it's called inflation [​IMG]
     
    #141     Feb 14, 2008
  2. Taxes were cut, stimulating and growing the economy as cutting taxes will nearly always do that.

    Revenue to the government actually roughly doubled as cutting taxes will do that.

    But spending roughly tripled, as the government ALWAYS likes to do.
     
    #142     Feb 14, 2008
  3. "what the fuck that is not rich, that is the description of a fucking poor with a few million in the bank account "

    rich is a matter of perspective. most americans are rich by world standards. the UN's definition of poor is $1 per day of income. the living standard of many poor americans, europeans and others in dveloped economies have living standards many in the world can only dream of. that is why there is a long line to get into the u.s.
     
    #143     Feb 14, 2008
  4. gnome

    gnome

    Yeah, well we're not talking about Obama "taking only from the super rich"... He plans to take from upper middle class too.
     
    #144     Feb 14, 2008
  5. Sorry if I was rude. But I just have to laugh at statistics. Always.

    Yes, lottery winnings are easily lost. I never said we should give handouts to anyone, we could give better opportunities though. How about decent education availability for all. I was really just pointing out that all this "freedom" and "opportunity" bull$hit politicians are talking about is just that, BS. Most people born rich stay that way and most born poor stay that way. And it has been this way for a long, long time. Opportunity is still better in the USA than in most other parts of the world, but it sure is disappearing fast.

    And yes, the wealthier (or poorer) a person is, the more this applies.

    I am not making excuses for anyone, just telling it like it is.
     
    #145     Feb 14, 2008
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Well you got me there. I'm ankle deep in free babies and doggie steaks, and i'm too damn dumb to figure out how to get out of this predicament. I guess i'll ask the brilliant Ann Coulter what to do with these extra babies. The doggie steaks i can always give away. :D
     
    #146     Feb 14, 2008
  7. You know brother, if paying 35% of my income is the price to pay to live in this great country of ours and keep it great, I am OK with that. You could easily pay less taxes and move somewhere else, but good luck with your safety, security, and prosperity.

    I would never look to any politician to do something for my financial life. I do just fine on my own, never said I didn't and was not complaining.
     
    #147     Feb 14, 2008
  8. An interesting annotation.
    But look at their roles internationally.

    Nixon. Brilliant in foreign affairs. Brought the troops home from Vietnam, started detente with China, ended the long standing Israel- Egyption crisis.
    Carter. A self righteous clown.
    Reagan. A brilliant gamesman. Outsmarted the Russians for good & all; spent them into their collapse so ending the Cold War. Bonded with Britain's Maggie Thatcher and he almost appeared to rule the world.
    Bush Snr. Good administration. But failed to use his Gulf victory to immediately expel Saddam Hussein and his family.
    Bill Clinton. No grip on economic matters. He has been underestimated in foreign affairs. Kicked the Serbs out of Kosovo through pressure & air campaign but not a ground war with US troops.
    Bush Jnr. Had to act in the kick-ass tradition after 9/11 and invade Middle East. Biggest mistake was to abolish the existing Iraqi Army. Should have used it to keep order in Iraq and not do so with US ground forces.
    Hillary Clinton as President. Cautious player. There will be no wars with her but also no solution to the trade balance & budget deficits. Hubby Bill will give her good guidance in international politics.
     
    #148     Feb 14, 2008
  9. a couple years ago i was in a discussion on a forum about millionaires and how they got their money. after digging for a while i found the group that was quoted earlier in the money mag. article. then i found money mag archives that pretty much showed that the number of millionaires increases quite a bit more in years that the stock market does well and held fairly steady in other years.

    there was another article that said during the reagan years the number of millionaires doubled. the market did too i think.

    the conclusion i drew was that a lot of new millionaires are in their peak earning years and have been saving and investing for years. sorry, but i'm not going to spend the time digging all of this up again. you don't have to believe it if you don't want to.
     
    #149     Feb 14, 2008
  10. I didn't think you were being rude, I sensed negativism which is all over ET lately and it's bringing me down.

    "Most people born rich stay that way and most born poor stay that way". For most people, that is a choice. Wealth can be lost if no self-discipline. Accumulating wealth takes hard work, takes a long time, and mostly self-discipline, that's just too much for most of the younger generations. Easier to play the lottery.


    All I ask from the government is to allow me and all others to keep a multitude of choices and opportunities and allow me to attain success without so many restrictions.

    If you give the government an inch without complaining, they slowly, by increments, will take a foot and more.

    The government is making it harder for people to take care of themselves. Higher capital gains will make it much harder for this crippled wreck to take care of himself. I need to accumulate money, working capital and a lot of it because the market and government can take it away easier than I can make it.
     
    #150     Feb 14, 2008