A mind game

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Rearden Metal, May 11, 2013.

How much of your net worth do you wager? (see below)

  1. 10% or less

    12 vote(s)
    27.3%
  2. 15%

    5 vote(s)
    11.4%
  3. 20%

    3 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. 25%

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  5. 30%

    4 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. 35%

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  7. 40%

    4 vote(s)
    9.1%
  8. 45%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 50%

    5 vote(s)
    11.4%
  10. 60%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. 70% or more

    9 vote(s)
    20.5%
  1. Josef K

    Josef K

    To me the issue is time. Let's assume I lose on my first play of the game. In that case I'd only have $150,000 if I play your way, whereas I'd still have $300,000 if I play my way. My resulting net worth gets cut by 50% if I increase my bet to 70%, and I have to wait an entire year to get a chance to bet again. By limiting my bet to 40%, I'd have an additional $150,000 to make use of during that year.

    Even though the odds are 5 in 6 that I'd win on my first play, I'd prefer keep my bet under 50% so that I'd have significantly more money available in case I lose.
     
    #41     May 12, 2013
  2. If I lose most or all of it does he top me off in year two with another $500,000 in year two and again in year three? If that is the case I bet $350,000 the first year so I can live reasonably well for the 12 months between my first play and my second.
     
    #42     May 12, 2013
  3. But that is why they are odds, probabilities and not certainties. We are talking about how often they fail and how lucrative this bet is when the huge overlay holds up.

    In case you are in doubt it will hold up over 83% of the time.

     
    #43     May 12, 2013
  4. "Kelly Criterion ... a mathematical formula relating to the long-term growth of capital... currently used by gambers and investors to determine what percentage of their bankroll/capital should be used in each bet/trade to maximize long-term growth.

    Kelly % = W - [(1-W)/R]

    ... there are two key components to the formula: the winning probability factor (W) and the win/loss raion (R)...

    [Investopedia.com]

    W = 5/6
    R = 2

    ----> Kelly % = 75%
     
    #44     May 12, 2013
  5. dom993

    dom993

    No matter how good the odds are, betting 70%+ is a gambler attitude, not a professional trader attitude.
     
    #45     May 12, 2013
  6. I disagree. If you can continue to get topped off every year and faded 70% is actually quite a conservative play.

     
    #46     May 12, 2013
  7. Josef K

    Josef K

    You don't get topped off, you start with $500,000 and receive no more after that except your winnings.
     
    #47     May 12, 2013
  8. My mistake. Then I bet less. I want to be able to take quite a few bites at the apple.

     
    #48     May 12, 2013
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    #49     May 12, 2013
  10. I guess that's a point of view.

     
    #50     May 12, 2013