A message to some day traders.

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Amahrix, Sep 20, 2019.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Sorry I mistyped earlier. ZIV, which still trades I should have posted, not XIV.
     
    #791     Sep 25, 2019
  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    Ahh. Don't know what ZIV is.
     
    #792     Sep 25, 2019
  3. Amahrix

    Amahrix

    I don’t know if you caught my last edit or not but backtesting should only be used to reject a strategy, not to predict its success.

    Assuming you lived in the era prior to the observance of a black swan(literally):

    Say I had a strategy that wins money when I observe a white swan and I lose everything and more when I observe any other colored swan but white.

    If I back test it, I can see that I would’ve won many times so I naively conclude that this strategy will be successful

    And so I deploy it...only to find out one day... that a black swan exists.......

    You see what I’m saying?

    Machine Learning may be headed in the right direction so long as it doesn’t predict events but sets of rules, at different scales. You see? Sets of rules... at different scales.... (disclaimer: I am not a ML/DL expert)
     
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    #793     Sep 25, 2019
  4. bone

    bone

    LOL please quote something other than regurgitated pablum from Nassim Taleb.

    Endeavor to write a post without mentioning “swan” or “tail”.
     
    #794     Sep 25, 2019
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  5. maxinger

    maxinger

    day traders love
    BLACK SWAN AND WHITE SWAN.
    That's when you can earn tons of money.

    Investors only talk about Black swan. Because they can only press BUY button first.
    Traders talk about both black and white swans because they can press BUY or SELL button first.
     
    #795     Sep 25, 2019
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  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Isn't it funny all this Black Swan nonsense about a topic supposedly directed at day traders. And somewhat also for hedging?

    That is the parlance of short and long term swing traders and investors. Those of us who trade tick by tick and use stops are not the ones getting caught. Sure it can happen but not anywhere near those who hold positions beyond minutes/hours and definitely beyond that day's close.
     
    #796     Sep 25, 2019
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  7. bone

    bone

    I’ll be perfectly frank - your technical understanding of Taleb with respect to randomness and chance as it relates to financial markets is not correct.
     
    #797     Sep 25, 2019
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  8. Amahrix

    Amahrix

    Please enlighten me. All I see when I see “Bone” is Ad Hominem Fallacy being committed as well as posts with no substance. Just all talk.
     
    #798     Sep 25, 2019
  9. maxinger

    maxinger


    Only investors are extremely fearful about black swan thing.

    Day traders love black AND white swans
    In fact day traders love bulls and bears and white swans and black swans
     
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    #799     Sep 25, 2019
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  10. Amahrix

    Amahrix

    Max... no they’re not. All an investor needs to do is buy protection. And if the protection is too costly, the investor should not take the investment.

    Would you buy a car if you couldn’t afford the car insurance?

    Please max, please, watch this video then come back and further comment. You see?! —> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-05-12/nassim-taleb-on-the-importance-of-probability
     
    #800     Sep 25, 2019