You need to do better than Wikipedia, it is well known zionist territory, and cannot be taken seriously. Jesus made this clear in Revelation 2:9, "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not but are a synagogue of Satan." And 3:9, "I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie; indeed I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you".
You are drifting. The thread is originally about racialists, i.e. "white pride worldwide", and other such nonsense. I am speaking to you on terms that you able to comprehend. In truth, there is no such thing as race. So, if it pleases you, we can speak in terms of ethnic groups. The DNA explanation has already been provided for you in earlier posts, but the Zionists control everything ,so you seem to believe. Therefore any sources that do not agree with you is "Jewish propaganda". This makes you sound delusional. Racialists, as they self style themselves, seek to accentuate differences rather than commonalities. This has only one possible outcome. SELF DESTRUCTION. Best Regards Oddi
(1) Steve Sconosciuto 10/20/2007 10:12:00 PM Fallacious Argument Even if 40%-50% of Ashkenazic and/or Sephardic males display haplogroups J1 or J2, that in itself does not argue for relative genetic purity of the Jewish people. The Y chromosome is one of 46 in the genome. Excepting the X chromosome in males, the remaining 44 are subject to recombination. Suppose--as is undoubtedly the case in many communities, such as among the Jews of Africa and China--that Jewish merchants arrived in a locale and set up a trading post, as almost certainly happened with the Jews of Elephantine in southern Egypt. The males (who were certainly the majority of any trading expedition) then took local (i.e., non-Jewish) women as wives. Their sons would bear the Jewish paternal Y chromosome, but the remaining chromosomes would be 50% foreign. Their daughters would be 50% foreign since no Y chromosome was involved. Now these children have children. The sons of the sons still bear the paternal Jewish Y chromosome, but not the daughters of the sons and not the daughters of the daughters. In fact, ALL of the children and grandchildren would have maternal mitochondrial DNA as well as the admixed other maternal genes. Now, take the sons of the sons again. In the extreme case, each generation of sons could marry with non-Jewish women who converted to Judaism. Their sons would still bear the paternal Jewish Y chromosome, but it is obvious that their genetic make-up would be almost entirely non-Jewish. The African and Chinese Jews are phenotypic proof of this phenomenon, and in many instances, this is also true of the Ashkenazim, many of whom bear obvious Germanic and Slavic features. Thus, the common Middle Eastern origin of Diaspora populations is largely a matter of the Y chromosome alone, not of the entire Jewish genome. http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp
http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp I recently read Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman's book "geneology and genetics" I found it to be very intresting and decided to obtain the y-chromosome, and mtDNA tests. The results of the y-DNA determined that many other jews like myself were of haplogroup Q. I was also able to trace my fathers family back over three-hundred years to a town in Poland. So as far as i know my family has been jewish for a very long time. As you know the Q haplogroup is not included in the ancient israelite DNA Therefore the evidence of ashkenazi and sephardic jews being related is inconclusive. As much as i would love to be related to the ancient israelites, it is not a plausible determination that "most" jews are related to the ancient israelities.
(7) Anonymous 4/13/2005 It really makes me feel tired to realize that any people, anywhere, are trying to set themselves above, or separate from other people, by virtue of a bloodline. I have to agree with the comment one person made that this is what happened in Nazi Germany. Get over it. We're all just people. If you want to get technical about it, DNA studies also say that ALL people on this planet came from just two people. I repeat, just get over it. Concentrate on doing the right thing, instead of trying to make some sort of artificial separation between jews and everyone else. We're all the same before God. That's because God made all of us. http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp
Why are you avoiding my questions, I was just interested. You seemed to know the genetics of the region, but then again, maybe not.
I know pathology. I know that the DNA profile is enough to make Ashkanazic Jews a risk for Tay Sachs. I know that because I am not a member of this group, the risk for developing this particular malady is very small. It has been medically proven that this ethnic group has a distinct DNA profile. So you are debating science, not me. Best Regards Oddi
Oddi said: "Racialists, as they self style themselves, seek to accentuate differences rather than commonalities. This has only one possible outcome. SELF DESTRUCTION." Best Regards Oddi ----------------------------------------- Secular history and the bible are in agreement that putting those at odds with one another together is what results in destruction. One can simply look on any newscast and see the destruction that results from forced unity. What the secular left doesn't seem to understand is differences aren't about race, they are about ideology. People of any race that think alike can get along reasonably well. Throwing together people of different races that think differently just for this fake sense of diversity never works. The world is full of dead bodies to show it.