A little hope for new Forex traders

Discussion in 'Forex' started by nazsmith, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. gowron8

    gowron8

    Absolutely correct...very well put.
     
    #11     Jan 27, 2006
  2. Chood

    Chood

    Is this the same as saying that you'll make a ton of money if you make winning trades back-to-back-to-back and so on, until the string of successful trades is really long? That's kinda what I figured the thread starter meant when he suggested retail fx offers exponential profits if and when trades are increased incrementally in size.
     
    #12     Jan 27, 2006
  3. This was the assumption to which my reply was directed. There is no evidence that smaller lots contributes to a more "feasible" percentage goal in FX versus stocks -- if it's any easier in FX, it's due to pure leverage, plain and simple. But maybe I don't understand the concept of trading "1 unit" increments -- does that just mean a fixed percentage of one's account?

    When I posted I assumed he was referring to some type of martingale system in which one completely throws up one's hands in attempting to time the market -- a concept a number of fx traders seem to think is impossible. If that was not his intention, then nevermind my post.
     
    #13     Jan 27, 2006
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I think that the easiest way to look at this is from the other direction. You surely would increase your chances of compounding losses by increasing size after losing trades, so it works the other way as well
     
    #14     Jan 27, 2006
  5. ps -- this isn't the treasury markets we're talking about here; it's hard enough at times to get a decent execution on any part of one's position, much less count on being able to things granularly.
     
    #15     Jan 27, 2006
  6. Chood

    Chood

    Apologies for being elliptical: The critical, deciding factor of this thread's proposition for exponential profits is the trader's ability to make winning trades back-to-back-to-back and so on, not (or rather than) the ability to size trades incrementally. Thus, the really important topic is this: what conditions are most conducive to profitable forex trading? I suggest that an honest market is the paramount condition. The rest is academic without that.
     
    #16     Jan 27, 2006
  7. nazsmith

    nazsmith

    I logged back on to see how many inevitable flamers this would inspire to write. I'll address their statements first in the same way:

    Yes. I am an authority on Forex. Naz Smith. I've learned all the intricacies about the FX market. Maybe compounding returns works differently in FX than the rest of the univese. Either way, remember that Naz Smith is an authority on Forex.
    I was also paid (WTF?) to post that. Even though I didn't mention any firm, product, etc, somehow someone thought it was such a good idea to pay me to post and I accepted. Again, WTF?

    Late apex, you're the man. You understand compounding and why 1 unit increments are advantageous. A simple (hopefully) example:

    Trader A needs 10000 units to make a trade. Trader B needs 10 units to make a trade. Starting from 10000 units, Traders A and B both make a profit to purchase an additional 5000 units. The next trade, Trader B trades 15000 units; Trader A can only trade 10000 as he does not have enough to trade the next increment. Traders A and B both generate the same profit (50% in this case). Trader A now has 20000 units, whereas Trader B has 22500.

    I'm glad the post did inspire someone other than flamers. While some may want to deny I am an authority who is paid for my testimony, you can't deny math:)
     
    #17     Jan 27, 2006
  8. nazsmith

    nazsmith

    Where did you get the "three months" figure?
     
    #18     Jan 27, 2006
  9. Wow, this is the equivalent of saying if I could use all my money to buy 6397 shares of yahoo on the next trade compared to someone else who only buys 6300, I would make more money -- therefore, the extra 97 shares is key to my exponential gains. Gotcha.

    Trust me, by the time anyone gets to the point where they can expect steady "exponential" gains, his account will be large enough to make this issue moot.
     
    #19     Jan 27, 2006
  10. nazsmith

    nazsmith

    To Illiquid:
    Yes, the yahoo statement's somewhat right. Late Apex already stated it (excellent post! Should that be required reading?),but I knew my simple example could garner more understanding.
    Maybe the popular denotation of "exponential" has people thinking in terms of millions. "Exponential" simply means multiplying something to the power of something. It has nothing to do with account size per se. $1 to $1.50 to $2.25 to $3.37 is an example of "exponential gains." Someone's savings account at a bank generating only 1.5% annually will grow exponentially. That's the definition; there's nothing to debate.

    --Naz Smith aka "3 month authority" :)
     
    #20     Jan 27, 2006