A lesson in diplomacy for all MAGAtards

kashirin · Mar 3, 2025

faet said:
Why "a lesson"? Because anyone who's proud to feel they belong to MAGA, starting from your esteemed president, down to your even more esteemed VP and so on, does not understand what 'diplomacy' means.

So much so, in fact, that this could even be construed as a 'lecture'. So be it.

But worry not. I will put the bits that may be too hard for you to understand in bold, so that it's easier on you.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...raine-comments-not-government-policy-minister

Peter Mandelson, the current UK ambassador to the US, recently (i.e. after Trump's ridicolous treatment of Zelensky at the WH) said that "Zelenskyy should give ‘unequivocal backing’ to Trump’s peace efforts".

Now, why did he say that? Because he's the UK ambassador to the US, so he's trying to appease the big baby at the White House.

Of course the UK opposition parties jumped at the chance and said Mandelson should not be “telling President Zelenskyy what to do”. Guess what. Any ambassador, for any government (left or right) would have done exactly the same, because that's their fricking job. And any opposition party would have said exactly the same thing, because they are the opposition.

Asked whether this was government policy, Luke Pollard, the armed forces minister, replied: “No.”. Asked if Mandelson had been incorrect with his comments, Pollard said: “That’s not government policy.”
Pollard is deflecting, because that's not his job to contradict either the ambassador or the PM.

Why do I say MAGA are retarded (including the MAGAt in chief, DJTard)?
Because you do not treat a nation's leader (any nation, or any leader) whom you invited to your country the way Zelensky was treated, in front of the cameras. If you have disagreements, you work them out behind closed doors, not in public.

This is the most basic rule of international relations. It's been done like this for 2,500 years, i.e. since the establishment of the ancient Roman civilisation. It is so basic that everyone with at least a high-school level education understands it.

Everyone, that is, except MAGA.

MAGA says "I'm going to show you who's tough, but I also want the whole world to know who's tough".

Guess what. The world knows that already. Everyone knows the US has the mightiest military complex. There is no need to "show" anything. By wanting to "show you're tough" in front of everyone you're diminishing others, but most of all you are diminishing yourselves.

Only people who are deeply, deeply insecure, need to remind others about their own insecurities.

If that's still too hard to understand, watch this short and think about the first person that comes to mind that lacks the qualities mentioned in the short

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/inaRCHWhF1A
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Are you blind or whatever?

Trump didn't even want to meet Zelensky. Documents were to be signed in Kiev

Zelenski insisted on this meeting

Before meeting he met with democrats who instructed him to insult trump

Zelensky was told this meeting was strictly to sign the deal - instead zelensky started mumbling immediately in public he need to have security guaranties and won't have any negotiations, lying in the mean time about minsk agreements

I wouldn't even say that Zelenski not the head of state as his term passed long ago

SAying something against Trump in this situation is beyond ridiculous

echopulse · Mar 3, 2025

wrbtrader said:
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We as traders know exactly what is an Upward Trend and what happens if we're on the wrong side of that Upward Trend.

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https://www.governing.com/resilience/illinois-has-already-had-100-tornadoes-double-annual-average

My most recent visit to Illinois, I saw new wildfire prevention/fighting stations. In addition, increasing amount of wildfire smoke from other states and Canada...smoke that use to flow through Northeast Canada instead of drifting down into the midwest because we had a stronger Jet stream...it's weaken the past decade.

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themickey · Mar 3, 2025

kashirin said:
Before meeting he (Zelinskyy) met with democrats who instructed him to insult trump
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Oh wow! That's amazing!
Where did you read about this?

wrbtrader · Mar 3, 2025

themickey said:
Oh wow! That's amazing!
Where did you read about this?
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-zelenskyy-met-democrats-205100784.html

Republicans were there too with reporters for that brief meeting with Democrats as usual when any dignitary arrives to the Capitol before meeting the U.S. President.

Typically the brief meeting just picture taking of hellos, handshakes, first time introductions, and hey its nice to see you again...how was your flight to here?

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echopulse · Mar 4, 2025

kashirin · Mar 4, 2025

wrbtrader said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-zelenskyy-met-democrats-205100784.html

Republicans were there too with reporters for that brief meeting with Democrats as usual when any dignitary arrives to the Capitol before meeting the U.S. President.

Typically the brief meeting just picture taking of hellos, handshakes, first time introductions, and hey its nice to see you again...how was your flight to here?

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So warmongers met before Trump meeting and pushed Zelensky to insult trump and demand security guarantee and trillion in cash

themickey · Mar 4, 2025

Trump (Putin stooge) deliberately set up a confrontation with Zelinskyy to set up for the next stage...... all pre programmed. Surprises never cease.

Trump pauses aid to Ukraine after fiery meeting with Zelenskyy
The move follows a heated meeting last week between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House
By Louis Casiano , Lucas Y. Tomlinson Fox News Published March 3, 2025

The Trump administration is pausing all aid to Ukraine, including weapons in transit or in Poland, until Ukrainian leaders show more appreciation for U.S. support and a commitment to peace.......

themickey · Mar 4, 2025

themickey said:
until Ukrainian leaders show more appreciation for U.S. support and a commitment to peace.......
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....until Ukrainian leaders show more appreciation for U.S. support and a commitment for surrender.

Tuxan · Mar 4, 2025

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A PayPal mafia South African says so? Wow.

His push for "Trump's peace deal" is about politics, not peace, Trump has no real plan beyond appeasing Putin.

Russia invaded Ukraine, and the so-called "Istanbul Accords" were never a firm agreement but rather a vague discussion that Russia later walked back on. Minsk I & II (2014–2015) were similar ceasefire deals that Russia repeatedly violated. In the middle of Istanbul the atrocities in Kyiv suburb Bucha, hundreds of civilians murdered and dumped in mass graves, were discovered. Putin was in bad faith and talks collapsed as it was just a stalking tactic while Putin regrouped.

The argument that Zelensky wants the war to continue for power is absurd, Ukraine is still fighting for its survival against somebody who is a monster.

Tuxan · Mar 4, 2025

Lessons of the Minsk Deal: Breaking the Cycle of Russia's War Against Ukraine

Some peace deals lead to peace, others to more war. The Minsk II deal aimed to end Russia’s limited invasion of Ukraine in 2015 but instead laid the groundwork for the full-scale Russian invasion in 2022. The United States must learn from the Minsk deal or risk a direct Russia-NATO conflict that puts American lives at risk.

Full article linked.

(The article "Lessons of the Minsk Deal: Breaking the Cycle of Russia's War Against Ukraine" was written by Nataliya Bugayova and published by the Institute for the Study of War on February 11, 2025.)

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/lessons-minsk-deal-breaking-cycle-russias-war-against-ukraine?hl=en-IE#:~:text=Kremlin-controlled forces repeatedly violated,invasion of Ukraine in 2022.