A Fund vs. Your Own Money

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by Opulence, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. rwk

    rwk

    If you're not doubling your account every thirty days, you don't belong on ET.:D
     
    #231     May 23, 2013
  2. cornix

    cornix

    Become my client and see for yourself what is fantasy and what is not. Clearly not riskier than your own trades. :D
     
    #232     May 23, 2013
  3. cornix

    cornix

    Well, that's a bit too much, I don't need so much... :D
     
    #233     May 23, 2013
  4. Please stop. You are dealing with market professionals here,not Forex fantasy types.
     
    #234     May 23, 2013
  5. cornix

    cornix

    You decide. :)

    But making 20% on a small account is either absence of efforts or just poor trading. One shouldn't rationalize his/her under-performance by the fact HF's would kill for such consistent returns. HF's deal with billions, totally different story.

    Trader better be honest to him/herself and not justify lack of one's own skill by others performance.
     
    #235     May 23, 2013
  6. You are living in delusion. Any longtime real trader will agree. Not sure why you keep saying the same ridiculous thing.
     
    #236     May 23, 2013
  7. cornix

    cornix

    Well, I see no point in shooting for 20% per year on a small account. As Cutten correctly stated, it just wouldn't cover the casual expenses.

    Don't you really see the huge difference between small traders and funds and that what's great for a fund is pathetic for a small trader not limited by many factors fund is limited with?
     
    #237     May 23, 2013
  8. I fully agree that traders MUST shoot for maximum gains much of the time or it just isn't worthwhile. However, I also understand that corresponding risk is also required to achieve such returns. Clearly, if I could unravel the secrets held by you and the other consistent 20% plus per year chart traders on elite, I would be poised to become an extraordinarily wealthy man. Peace. surf
     
    #238     May 23, 2013
  9. kanas208

    kanas208

    smallStops,

    For mercenarytrader, the $200K the trader have to put in is not "first loss" capital, right?

    what type of trading do they fund? Do they work with equity long only / long short traders, or they are more focused on FX/commodity type of traders?

    thanks,
    Kanas208
     
    #239     May 23, 2013
  10. cornix

    cornix

    No, you wouldn't become one for that exact reason I stated: scalability.

    I am easily in and out of NQ on double digit contract size risking about 2% per trade (a bit more aggressive with my own money, but more or less close numbers).

    Now imagine someone having to manage $1B fund. He would have to trade 400,000 NQ contracts at a clip to risk 2% per trade with 10 tick stop-loss!

    Even a retarded person will say "impossible" and be absolutely right about it. Impossible for $100M fund and even $10M fund to trade the same way without changing the tactics at least to capture longer-term moves.

    So there are no secrets. I perfectly understand the limits of my style and spend significant amount of time to possibly develop a truly scalable strategy for future career. So far not much success, but I never give up. :)
     
    #240     May 23, 2013