A Fund vs. Your Own Money

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by Opulence, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. Epic

    Epic

    Tudor doesn't fall in that category for me.
     
    #141     Feb 5, 2013
  2. Why is that?

    And Bridgewater?

    Who would you choose?
     
    #142     Feb 5, 2013
  3. Epic

    Epic

    Documentary footage, interviews, etc... all give me the impression that he is a 'gut feel' type of guy. When he has a big win, he seems just as surprised as everyone else. Not even in the same league as Simons.
     
    #143     Feb 5, 2013
  4. I agree that he is a "gut-feel' guy ..but that is discretionary global macro - synthesis of various market fundamentals and technicals to form an inner opinion.

    Now are you arguing that synthesis process cannot represent "alpha"?
     
    #144     Feb 5, 2013
  5. Epic

    Epic

    Not at all. I'm arguing that 'gut feel' isn't a strategy and doesn't belong in the same discussion. There is no way to quantify or describe the edge other than to say that the trader 'just knows'. That is not a viable description of a strategy.

    After watching that documentary on Tudor I was amazed that he hasn't blow up yet. I would NEVER allocate capital to someone who trades like he was. That's probably why he has tried so hard to get it off the market.
     
    #145     Feb 5, 2013
  6. heech

    heech

    Tutor's Tensor Fund has a Sharpe of 0.33 (start date is 2005). Smaller Momentum Fund has a Sharpe of 0.00 (start date is 2009).

    I think PDJ was always a beta guy. He just happened to nail a few big trades... much of the '80s-'90s was all about big trades. Look at John Henry, for another example. Great numbers from the '80s, and almost nothing since. His most recent performance is also horrible.

    I think Simons is in a class by himself... no one else is even in the same ballpark. I am inclined to agree Bridgewater brings alpha to the table, but far less than Simons.
     
    #146     Feb 5, 2013
  7. sle

    sle

    He's running a multi-strategy fund now, so the performance is not really about his own trading style, but more about his "taste" in managers.
     
    #147     Feb 5, 2013
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Most of these big funds are multistrategy with the exception of Bridgewater. They are all a collection of smaller managers (with 50-500MM books) with some overall risk management umbrella.
     
    #148     Feb 5, 2013
  9. A couple of the posters here would be familiar with circa billion dollar books run internally within most of the banks. I'm thinking stock loan baskets, equity basis trading, I suppose some of the option MM hedge books etc. I think they should get a mention, as all alpha, no beta, yet big.
     
    #149     Feb 5, 2013
  10. Epic

    Epic

    Yeah, which still doesn't count in my book of alpha generators.
     
    #150     Feb 5, 2013