Wait a minute! We were talking about losing weight, not getting shredded. I don't think the issue here is what the best diet is for body building... And whom can we trust if not broscience? https://broscience.co/keto-diet-for-better-fat-loss-results/
The problem with fad diets is that they swing for the fences with their extremes. They're all quick-fix "magic bullet" solutions to longer term problems. Either too many carbs or not enough; too much fat or not enough; too much protein or not enough. And they don't last because they're too much of a stress on the body over the longer term. Enter the yo-yo. Rinse and repeat. I'll tell you what doesn't go out of style: intelligent macronutrient balance.
I searched the title of the thread again, I didn't find the word shreeded in it. Nor did I find body building. I did find weight loss though... So let's not move the goal post.
Getting shredded means getting very lean (losing fat). If you decide to also infer somehow that it includes an increase in size, how would that be detrimental?
Stop fucking around, nobody said it was detrimental. The topic of this thread is losing weight not how to win at black jack or how to build more muscles... If you didn't get it by now, you won't get it...
Stop being obtuse. Losing weight for the sake of losing weight is the problem with most diets these days. The focus should be to lose fat or increase metabolism not numbers on a scale.
I am not the obtuse here. If you are 300 lbs, you are saying getting down to 200 lbs is just for the sake of the numbers? Anyhow, let's show some studies, just to move forward instead of obfuscating: "The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Sorry, rallymode is right. If you look at weight loss as a goal in isolation with no regard to any other variables, then you will almost certainly lose muscle mass in the process. If you lose muscle mass then your metabolism will diminish. If your metabolism slows down, then you will find it easier to gain weight (fat). And then, you're back at square one. And each time you return to this square, you have less and less muscle, slower and slower metabolism, and more difficulty losing fat. So who's "moving the goal post?" You are. Because you're disregarding the other key element of body composition in the equation: muscle mass. Muscle mass should at least be kept at a constant to properly assess the efficacy of a weight (fat) loss diet/regimen.
Shredded just means you've stayed consistent with a fat-loss diet until there's basically not much fat left to lose. And I stand by my prior statement. I have personally never met a single person who's in great shape (i.e, shredded, super lean, whatever...) that got there on a keto diet. Not one.