A complicated options trade that has helped prop up U.S. stocks is starting to unravel

Discussion in 'Options' started by ETJ, Aug 8, 2023.

  1. mervyn

    mervyn

    I don’t think he is right about this, he doesn’t have more information than others, but he can reasonably argue using his logic.
     
    #11     Aug 9, 2023
  2. taowave

    taowave

    seriously??


     
    #12     Aug 9, 2023
  3. mervyn

    mervyn

    what do you trade?
     
    #13     Aug 9, 2023
  4. taowave

    taowave

    Derivatives,ex trader at 2 major IB's,who has traded dispersion books..

    Your statement about options and futures being cheaper is clearly from a retail perspective..

    The trade is supposedly a dispersion trade,which IMHO was poorly explained



     
    #14     Aug 9, 2023
  5. destriero

    destriero


    I don't get it. This Kramer guy is a bot.

    They are long SN calls, short index (form of disp).

    They are also long SN spot to hedge? Hedge what? How much size, inter-mkt could you possible commit to something this stupid?

    Spooz vols have dropped more than components, absent earnings-crush.

    This dude should run away. Go off the grid. New identity, wig, beard, etc.
     
    #15     Aug 9, 2023
    taowave likes this.
  6. destriero

    destriero

    You can trade SPX vol for $0.5 per side. 100 index multiplier.

    ES vol is going to run at least 1.5 per side. 50 index multiplier.

    Please check my math, but I think $3/side is worser.
     
    #16     Aug 9, 2023
  7. destriero

    destriero

    This dude made all of this sht up on the fly. It's not even a trade. Practically, dispersion (done right) is massively constrained as it's hyper-inefficient and really only done on huge books at places like CIG. Large MMer books.

    He reminds me of the guy in Blackhat (movie) that runs a FCM, "they traded Soy" (said nobody, ever).
     
    #17     Aug 9, 2023
  8. taowave

    taowave

    Article made zero sense

     
    #18     Aug 9, 2023
    maxinger likes this.
  9. destriero

    destriero


    I can't believe it.

    Long dispersion is short index vol/long component vol "street" vol.

    One of these guys is r*tarded.

    You buy SN-vol and yeah, you can gamma-trade the vol with spot, as you're locking in excess returns over the SN/index vol-switch(swap) or whatever. The index side is generally passive unless you're reducing bc you're booking SN gamma or reallocating.

    Once on it's a gamma-trade / vol.

    You're BUYING shares when you're already long SN calls? Literally nobody would do that. You go from replicating index at edge to a Texas hedge? I could see shorting spot to effect the long straddle on stocks to protect your index puts/flatten delts.
     
    #19     Aug 9, 2023
  10. maxinger

    maxinger

    Should blame it on the OP for hunting and posting such an article.
     
    #20     Aug 9, 2023
    taowave likes this.