A Bitcoin Transaction Takes Thousands of Times More Energy Than a Credit Card Swipe

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Covertibility, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. Apples and oranges. 1 BTC can be divided to as small as 10^-8 (1 Satoshi) so there's you're stick of gum.
    In situations where precious metals are used as currency silver is used as "change"
     
    #31     Mar 15, 2017
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  2. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Subway takes bitcoins huh? Pretty cool.

    List of companies...

    Overstock.com – A company that sells big ticket items at lower prices due to overstocking
    Subway – Eat fresh
    Microsoft – Users can buy content with Bitcoin on Xbox and Windows store
    Reddit – You can buy premium features there with bitcoins
    Virgin Galactic – Richard Branson company that includes Virgin Mobile and Virgin Airline
    OkCupid – Online dating site
    Tigerdirect – Major electronic online retailer
    Namecheap – Domain name registrar
    CheapAir.com – Travel booking site for airline tickets, car rentals, hotels
    Expedia.com – Online travel booking agency
    Gyft – Buy giftcards using Bitcoin
    Newegg.com – Online electronics retailer now uses bitpay to accept bitcoin as payment
    1-800-FLOWERS.COM – United States based online floral and gift retailer and distributor
    Dell – American privately owned multinational computer technology company
    Wikipedia – The Free Encyclopedia with 4 570 000+ article
    Steam – Desktop gaming platform
    The Internet Archive – web documatation company
    Bitcoin.Travel – a travel site that provides accommodation, apartments, attractions, bars, and beauty salons around the world
    Pembury Tavern – A pub in London, England
    Old Fitzroy – A pub in Sydney, Australia
    The Pink Cow – A diner in Tokyo, Japan
    The Pirate Bay – BitTorrent directories
    Zynga – Mobile gaming
    Tesla – The car company
    4Chan.org – For premium services
    EZTV – Torrents TV shows provider
    Mega.co.nz – The new venture started by the former owner of MegaUpload Kim Dotcom
    Lumfile – Free cloud base file server – pay for premium services
    Etsy Vendors – 93 of them
    PizzaForCoins.com – Domino’s Pizza signed up – pay for their pizza with bitcons
    Whole Foods – Organic food store (by purchasing gift card from Gyft)
    Bitcoincoffee.com – Buy your favorite coffee online
    Grass Hill Alpacas – A local farm in Haydenville, MA
    Jeffersons Store – A street wear clothing store in Bergenfield, N.J
    Helen’s Pizza – Jersey City, N.J., you can get a slice of pizza for 0.00339 bitcoin by pointing your phone at a sign next to the cash register
    A Class Limousine – Pick you up and drop you off at Newark (N.J.) Airport
    Seoclerks.com – Get SEO work done on your site cheap
    Mint.com – Mint pulls all your financial accounts into one place. Set a budget, track your goals and do more
    Fancy.com – Discover amazing stuff, collect the things you love, buy it all in one place (Source: Fancy)
    Bloomberg.com – Online newspaper
    Humblebundle.com – Indie game site
    BigFishGames.com – Games for PC, Mac and Smartphones (iPhone, Android, Windows)
    Suntimes.com – Chicago based online newspaper
    San Jose Earthquakes – San Jose California Professional Soccer Team (MLS)
    Square – Payment processor that help small businesses accept credit cards using iPhone, Android or iPad
    Crowdtilt.com – The fastest and easiest way to pool funds with family and friends (Source: crowdtilt)
    Lumfile – Server company that offers free cloud-based servers
    Museum of the Coastal Bend – 2200 East Red River Street, Victoria, Texas 77901, USA
    Home Depot – Office supplies store
    Kmart – Retail products store
    Sears – Clothing and household products, electronic store
    Gap, GameStop and JC Penney – have to use eGifter.com
    Etsy Vendors – Original art and Jewelry creations
    Fight for the Future – Leading organization finding for Internet freedom
    i-Pmart (ipmart.com.my) – A Malaysian online mobile phone and electronic parts retailer
    curryupnow.com – A total of 12 restaurants on the list of restaurants accept bitcoins in San Francisco Bay Area
    Dish Network – An American direct-broadcast satellite service provider
    The Libertarian Party – United States political party
    Yacht-base.com – Croatian yacht charter company
    Euro Pacific – A major precious metal dealer
    CEX – The trade-in chain has a shop in Glasgow, Scotland that accepts bitcoin
    Straub Auto Repairs – 477 Warburton Ave, Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 – (914) 478-1177
    PSP Mollie – Dutch Payment Service
    Intuit – an American software company that develops financial and tax preparation software and related services for small businesses, accountants and individuals.
    ShopJoy – An Australian online retailer that sells novelty and unique gifts
    Lv.net – Las Vegas high speed internet services
    ExpressVPN.com – High speed, ultra secure VPN network
    Grooveshark – Online music streaming service based in the United States
    Braintree – Well known payments processor
    MIT Coop Store – Massachusetts Institute of Technology student bookstore
    SimplePay – Nigeria’s most popular web and mobile-based wallet service
    SFU bookstore – Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada
    State Republican Party – First State Republican Party to accept bitcoin donations (http://www.lagop.com/bitcoin-donate)
    mspinc.com – Respiratory medical equipment supplies store
    Shopify.com – An online store that allows anyone to sell their products
    Famsa – Mexico’s biggest retailer
    Naughty America – Adult entertainment provider
    Mexico’s Universidad de las Américas Puebla – A major university in Mexico
    LOT Polish Airlines – A worldwide airline based in Poland
    MovieTickets.com – Online movie ticket exchange/retailer
    Dream Lover – Online relationship service
    Lionsgate Films – The production studio behind titles such as The Hunger Games and The Day After Tomorrow
    Rakutan – A Japanese e-commerce giant
    Badoo – Online dating network
    RE/MAX London – UK-based franchisee of the global real estate network
    T-Mobile Poland – T-Mobile’s Poland-based mobile phone top-up company
    Stripe – San Francisco-based payments company
    WebJet – Online travel agency
    Green Man Gaming – Popular digital game reseller
    Save the Children – Global charity organization
    NCR Silver – Point of sales systems
    One Shot Hotels – Spanish hotel chain

    Coupa Café in Palo Alto
    PureVPN – VPN provider
    That’s my face – create action figures
    Foodler – North American restaurant delivery company
    Amagi Metals – Precious metal furnisher
     
    #32     Mar 15, 2017
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  3. palawan

    palawan

    That's why I'm in the minority, lol. I don't think bitcoin should be used in that way, but I think it's a nice option to have. A few weeks ago, I was in Las Vegas and stayed at the Lucky Dragon hotel, and it's a Chinese-owned hotel which has a bitcoin atm in the casino. I was thinking if I lost my wallet for some reason, I still have the option of settling our hotel bill using my phone and my bitcoin wallet. Quick way to have $ in my hand. Now I see that as an option when I'm in Vegas, just in case I lose my wallet. It's nice to have but it would be last resort as the spread was horrible (ATM was bid $865 and buy was $1050 I believe bitcoin online was around mid $900's).
     
    #33     Mar 15, 2017
  4. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    #34     Mar 17, 2017
  5. I used to use bitcoin every month to send money overseas (to people that had no idea what bitcoin was) There were sites that would automatically convert bitcoin to whatever that countries currency is and deposit it in their bank. Then regulators stepped in and started require documents... not just from me, but from people I'm sending to. It was so much of a hassle I just decided to start using western union which really wasn't that much more money to spend once you account for coinbases 1% fee and currency risk.
     
    #35     Mar 17, 2017
  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Nonsense more energy intensive.

    Printing paper dollar bills is also more energy intensive than carry around a bunch of rocks in our pockets instead.
     
    #36     Mar 18, 2017
  7. VPhantom

    VPhantom

    When you give that dollar bill to someone else, there aren't a hundred servers computing confirmations for that transaction. The bothersome energy cost is frictional, not initial.
     
    #37     Mar 20, 2017
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I will agree that the ASIC hardware makes mining more efficient. However the article still makes a solid case that Bitcoin is unsustainable even with these innovations.
     
    #38     Mar 22, 2017