A Beginner's Mind

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Huyang, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. Huyang

    Huyang

    On second thought, i am not satisfied with the exit of the short. should exit earlier since no FT and i was expecting an immediate FT.
    For long, since it is late entry, i was managing the exit suppose i entered earlier based on plan. Exit was following the plan exactly.
     
    #111     Feb 27, 2014
  2. niko

    niko


    Are you waiting for the trade to go against you 5 points to exit?
     
    #112     Feb 27, 2014
  3. Huyang

    Huyang

    I was writing notes by hand to assess demand and supply with good accuracy. But slow in making decisions. For the first, the exit is following my plan. The second short, the exit is not following my plan; i should exit when FT bar is a strong bull bar. Anyway, I expect myself to make mistakes.
     
    #113     Feb 27, 2014
  4. Huyang

    Huyang

    Week 22

    If i had traded like in the past several days following the entry of the plan (prob with late entries), i either would have entered pre-open or had bought the BO, i am trading differently today and i am guessing myself. That is ok (again i am saying ok again; but that is just myself); all are part of the learning process.

    Finally i waited for the PB, and entered quite high. That is ok again, still my own voice; I have to take more price risk if i like to have less information risk otherwise the direction is wrong. The trailing stop is following the plan but i was slow in deciding whether to exit manually before 10ps PT being reached. When the market is moving down, i decided to let stop work for me: if the market is strong it will let the trade stay. The market is not that strong. Why was i so slow in making decisions? I feel i was trying to exit with a price as good as possible ; this goal is just too unreasonable for manual exit. The solution for me? just exit at market when need to do so! Why care about the minor difference?!

    Wish all a great weekend!
     
    #114     Feb 28, 2014
  5. niko

    niko

    Why do you write a plan and don't trade it?

     
    #115     Feb 28, 2014
  6. Huyang

    Huyang

    Niko:

    Because all the 1st trade in the past three days were stopped out, i thought prob i was impatient. I decided to take 5m PB long or short. And i did take the 5m PB long.
     
    #116     Feb 28, 2014
  7. niko

    niko


    The question was asked, because there is NO VALID REASON not to trade your plan. If you do that is because you dont trust your plan so you enter with fear to the market, if fear or hope take hold of you, you cant focus or be patient.

    But then the question is more profound, why dont you trust your plan?
     
    #117     Feb 28, 2014
  8. Huyang

    Huyang

    Niko: thanks a lot for thoughtful questions.

    I trust my plan. Then what do i mean by saying trusting the plan?
    • i trust all the setups have a positive expectancy.
    • the plan gives me the guidance and i need to be flexible to make decisions in RT, in other words, the plan is not purely mechanical.
    • Then what kind of flexibility?
    o let me describe it using three possible entries for the setup counter trend reversal up (example only ): PB long after 5+ps break above SL (A), Break out long if strong (B), PB long after 10+ps break above SL (C).
    o On average, A has the lowest winning probability but higher reward if right. If my PA reading is quite accurate, then B has the highest probability to move up immediately with minimum or no retracement at all; however if my reading is not accurate, then B has the highest probability to have immediate big adverse move.
    o The plan does not require me to treat all the same or have to take all. How to do with three different entries? based on my mindset before opening. Some days i want to take every setup but some days i want to take only the higher probability setups.
     
    #118     Mar 1, 2014
  9. I didn't read through the whole journal and, not quite sure what kind of strategy you are using.
    But according to this post, i would say it is really normal to have these conflict.
    You may have your trading plan, but you are still in your way to build up your edge.
    An edge is more than a series of high probability set ups. It should have other aspects, like mental damage control etc.
    Give yourself time to digest these conflicts and build up your own edge.There is one way to diminish your mental struggle -- time. The more hours you spend on your chart-reading, the more you understand your trading instrument, and your problem will get solved.

     
    #119     Mar 1, 2014
  10. Huyang

    Huyang

    luckylucy:
    Thanks a lot for your encouragement. My setup: PB long or short; if market is very strong, also enter at BO. You are right: I have the trading plan, but it is not my edge yet, in other words, i am learning to build up my execution skills using this trading plan ---- to build the discipline to follow the plan consistently. As far as i think, even i were given an excellent setup, but if i donot have the execution skills or discipline, i still cannot make money consistently. The plan is not great except i believe it has positive expectancy but i believe any trader who has good execution skills will make good money consistently if following the plan. During this learning process, I believe i will also find out how to modify the plan to make it more precise and more suitable for me.

    I have been reading the book disciplined trader to help with the right mindset. I believe what MD said; trading is more a mental game. Yes, time is powerful. I just need to be patient to follow my own learning rhythm to understand the market. Happy trading!
     
    #120     Mar 3, 2014