A 2-3% Correction Could Wipe Out Most VIX Short Sellers

Discussion in 'Options' started by ajacobson, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. sle

    sle

    I have always maintained that being short various forms for risk premium is a perfect retail trade.
    - Their horizon is in decades and not months, so they can survive a year-long drawdowns.
    - They do not have a risk manager to tap them on the shoulder at the worst possible time.
    - If the size is right, it might hurt sometimes but it will not destroy them.
    However, investor memory is very short and temptation of leverage is very high. That’s what scares me.
     
    #51     Oct 27, 2017
  2. sle

    sle

    Actually, selling OTM index puts has been a great trade, on average performing better than the index itself (risk adjusted).

    My boss used to say that “selling risk premium is like sleeping with strangers”. I think it’s a good analogy - you want to do it when it’s attractive and you don’t want to do too much of it.
     
    #52     Oct 27, 2017
  3. Perhaps I don't follow what you are saying but being short vol is being short vol(-$vega) at any given snapshot in time. Let's forget for a moment that the article is talking about selling vix futures so that maybe you can elaborate how strike dependency makes vol selling a lunacy compared to a long spy position.
     
    #53     Oct 27, 2017
  4. sle

    sle

    Selling weekly 25 delta calls at 4.5 vols qualifies as lunacy :)
     
    #54     Oct 27, 2017
  5. I stand corrected :D
     
    #55     Oct 27, 2017
  6. Gotcha, thanks. I've seen the opposite argued a few places (here's one https://www.schaeffersresearch.com/content/news/2015/02/09/how-time-decay-affects-the-value-of-vxx) but don't trade it so never bothered to go through the prospectus. Figured you would know definitively since it's in your realm.
     
    #56     Oct 27, 2017
  7. sle

    sle

    #57     Oct 27, 2017
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  8. i960

    i960

    This is because the typical "mainstream" assumption about time decay when it comes to ETFs is that it has to do with volatility drag with leveraged ETFs. "Time decay" can also apply to ETFs long an underlying in contango or short an underlying in backwardation. Absolutely nothing different about this from the roll yield being positive or negative with an actual futures position and a given curve shape. This isn't a revolutionary thing but outside of the futures context equity investors are continuously surprised by such things because they don't typically think about curves of anything.
     
    #58     Oct 27, 2017
  9. srinir

    srinir

    "30 day constant maturity futures contract" is correct, but number of N contracts may not be correct (or I might be interpreting wrong)

    Here is the prospectus>
    http://www.ipathetn.com/US/16/en/documentation.app?instrumentId=259118&documentId=6091544

    on PS-24 page,
    Snap1.png

    "equal notional amount" implies that it is dollar weighted. For eg: if first month contract VX1 value of 10, N contracts was sold for the amount of $1,000, then number of next month contract VX2 value of 11 bought would be be less than N.
     
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    #59     Oct 27, 2017
  10. i960

    i960

    Yep agree. I don't think the contract count is constant. They're simply used as the standard unit of X% vs Y% of the total funds value.
     
    #60     Oct 27, 2017