87 crash

Discussion in 'Economics' started by capitalMan, Jan 6, 2004.

  1. Pabst

    Pabst

    Some of those "new" worries have been mitigated by anti-90's phenomena. Lower taxes, lower rates, cheaper labor and a more competitive dollar. The reasons you site make a more compelling case for macro weakness in treasury securities than equities.
     
    #71     Jan 10, 2004
  2. "The reasons you site make a more compelling case for macro weakness in treasury securities than equities."

    :p
     
    #72     Jan 10, 2004
  3. I dunno, but I think the biggest economic impact the internet had on this economy was getting YHOO to 400/share :) In contrast one could easily argue that the internet has been one of the driving forces for deflation and even decreasing employment via higher productivity.

    And until we have something worthwhile for the Chinese to import from us (besides raw goods and treasuries) that they can't copy or duplicate at much lower cost, don't hold your breath waiting for their growth to impact our economy. Those middle class consumers in China and India will be just like ours -- except they won't need to be buying Labelled in USA goods when they can buy from their own backyard. China's only contribution to our economy will be as the driver for finally getting capital back into the raw materials sector, something that's been long neglected during the 90's paper boom. You might find better equity markets abroad to invest in. But I would agree that our stock markets would more likely suffer prolonged stagnation rather than a single day crash.

    JMO -- I just make this stuff up as I go along. :)
     
    #73     Jan 10, 2004
  4. But we're not talking about the impact these things have on US employment or the US economy more generally; the discussion is on their impact on the stock market.

    US-based corporations will benefit mightily from internet-based productivity gains and from the fast-growing consumer classes in China and India (and Brazil) over the next 10 years. As corporate profits go, so goes the market.

    Having said this, I readily concur that this rising tide will not raise all American boats. We are becoming a bi-modal society with a privileged minority who will do better and better and the majority who will be stuck in low-value-add service jobs. From a socio-economic perspective we will look more like Brazil as they look more like us.

    Welcome to the brave new world of globalization.
     
    #74     Jan 10, 2004
  5. I absolutely agree. It is ironic that most of the people most likely to be screwed by these changes are passionate supporters of this administration. Talk about not understanding where you own interests lie. I see the wage slaves around here, barely getting by, and they've got the bumper stickers... "I Support George Bush 100%". Too bad it doesn't cut the other way.

    m
     
    #75     Jan 10, 2004
  6. I don't know. I hold it as a possibility that Bush et al. realize the consequences of what's happening and will try to protect their revenue source (or create new sources).
     
    #76     Jan 10, 2004
  7. Urantian

    Urantian

    Quote from mind:

    pretty clear
    that this is a very exciting time for investment and trading.

    stock extreme
    interest rate extreme
    vola extreme
    dollar extreme
    yen extreme

    us fighting
    china booming
    euroland arguing and uniting
    russia stranging

    media proclaiming new constant growth


    WHAT IS VOLA??

    AND WHAT IS RUSSIA STRANGING??

    Great thread!!!

    All the best
     
    #77     Jan 10, 2004
  8. Urantian

    Urantian

    oh, volatility--never mind--
     
    #78     Jan 10, 2004
  9. There is always plunder. It kept the Roman Empire afloat for a couple hundred years.

    m
     
    #79     Jan 11, 2004
  10. mind

    mind



    i heard some statements on russia and the attempts of putin to create pretty concentrated power.


    actually there is always trouble ... that's life

    peace
     
    #80     Jan 11, 2004