2 verifiable pro athlete cases in a year,while 4 % of vaccinated NFL players tested positive in 2 days. Still sounds like post covid immunity is far superior than the vaccine. There is no breakout of 2nd cases like there is in vaccinated cases.
Across the world we are seeing significant Covid re-infections among the unvaccinated -- not only in the U.S. In fact the unvaccinated should expect to get reinfected every 16 months on average. Without Covid-19 jab, ‘reinfection may occur every 16 months’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tion-may-occur-every-16-months-say-scientists As Covid-19 infections surge in England, people are increasingly reporting catching Sars-CoV-2 for a second or even third time. New analysis has suggested that unvaccinated individuals should expect to be reinfected with Covid-19 every 16 months, on average. With winter approaching, scientists are warning that such reinfections could add to the burden on the NHS, some calling for the vaccination programme to be extended to all schoolchildren, including two doses for teenagers. “If you’ve got high-level prevalence, and frequent exposure to the virus, as you have in schools, you are going to see more and more people getting reinfected despite having been double vaccinated,” said Stephen Griffin, associate professor of virology at the University of Leeds. This time last year, the assumption was that although reinfections could occur this was relatively uncommon, with only two dozen or so recorded worldwide. We now know that natural immunity to Sars-CoV-2 begins to dwindle over time. One Danish study suggested that the under-65s had about 80% protection for at least six months, while the over-65s had only 47% protection. The arrival of the Delta variant has further complicated the situation. “Certainly in the healthcare workers that we’ve been studying, there are many people who had moderately decent levels of antibodies who have been, in some cases, previously infected and double-dose vaccinated, who have gone down with symptomatic infections,” said Danny Altmann, professor of immunology at Imperial College London. “I think it is far more common than the kinds of numbers we were used to before.” ONS data published on 6 October says that among 20,262 Britons who tested positive for Covid-19 between July 2020 and September 2021, there were 296 reinfections – defined as a new positive test 120 days or more after an initial first positive test – with an average (median) time of 203 days between positive tests. However, the reinfection risk appears to have been higher since May 2021 when Delta took over as the predominant variant. Further data from the US, where various states have now started tracking and reporting on reinfection rates, supports the idea there is a substantially higher risk of re-infection with Delta. In Oklahoma, which has a population of about 3.9 million, there were 5,229 reinfections reported during September (equivalent to a reinfection rate of 1,152 per 100,000) and reinfections have risen 350% since May. The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) defines reinfection as a lab-confirmed case of Covid-19 occurring 90 days or more after a previously lab-confirmed case. Dr Nisreen Alwan, associate professor in public health, at the University of Southampton, said: “With rising levels of Sars-CoV-2 infections in the UK, many of us are personally aware of children and adults who got reinfected, sometimes after a relatively short period from their first infection. “We still don’t know much about the risk factors for reinfection but the theoretical assumption that once all the young get it the pandemic will be over is becoming increasingly unlikely.” To help answer this question, Prof Jeffrey Townsend and colleagues at Yale University School of Medicine analysed known reinfection and immunological data from other coronaviruses, including those that cause Sars, MERS and common colds. By combining this with antibody and other immunological data from people who had recovered from Sars-CoV-2, they were able to model the risk of Covid-19 reinfection over time. The research, published in The Lancet Microbe, suggested that reinfections would become increasingly common as immunity waned, particularly when the number of infections was high. “If we had no infection controls, no one was masking or social distancing, there were no vaccines, we should expect reinfection on a three-month to five-year timescale – meaning that the average person should expect to get Covid every three months to five years,” Townsend said. Although vaccines are suppressing the level of infections, the UK reported 49,156 Covid cases on Monday, the highest figure since mid-July. Rates are highest among secondary schoolchildren, with an estimated 8.1% of this group thought to have had Covid-19 in the week ending 9 October. “If you allow it to run amok in any age group then it runs amok in all age groups,” said Townsend. “The major implications are that if you haven’t been vaccinated, you should get vaccinated, and if you’ve been infected, you should go ahead and get vaccinated anyway, because that will extend the duration of your protection.” Griffin said: “If you don’t clamp down on prevalence [in schoolchildren], you’ll get the spread of infection and possibly reinfection, which will then potentially spread to parents whose vaccines may be waning, and more critically to grandparents and clinically vulnerable people.”
Maybe you missed the part about 316,000 new story results with pro-athletes being reinfected. While some may be multiple news reports for the same individual -- this is quite a bit more than 2 pro athletes.
Welcome to the world of Omicron. I will note that none of the vaccinated players are severely ill. While there are numerous examples of unvaccinated pro-athletes whose careers are now on hold due to Long Covid (and their careers are most likely over). Not a single example of a vaccinated player having their career put on hold due to Long Covid that I can find. Either get the jab or possibly face career ended consequences when catching Covid as a pro athlete.
The vaccination status, breakthrough infections, or reinfections of professional athletes are not a concern to me. I rather just follow the actual statistical research / studies of what's occurring right now (today) in the general population...preferably just North America (Canada and the United States). Not vaccinated are getting their asses kicked by the Delta Variant...hospitalization and Deaths. This is a real threat to life...today. In contrast, Omicron is primarily only causing mild infections for those vaccinated in its initial wave that is representing about 3% of all Covid cases. Hopefully, when it reaches the 10% status...it doesn't start hitting those not vaccinated. In my opinion, the vaccinated ones are the ones traveling the most because those not vaccinated are not allowed on planes, not allowed in person class at universities and such...vaccinated ones are typically hit with the mild infections in the first wave. Pro athletes have access to resources (team doctors, testing almost daily) that most of us in the general population do not have access to that type of personal care. wrbtrader
There is an endless list of results... Nuggets small forward Michael Porter Jr. told the Denver Post he doesn't feel comfortable getting the COVID-19 vaccine. He also shared he's contracted the virus twice. https://www.si.com/nba/2021/09/29/michael-porter-jr-not-comfortable-with-covid-19-vaccine Manitoban NHLer Jayce Hawryluk got COVID-19, twice https://globalnews.ca/news/7781208/jayce-hawryluk-covid-19-recovery-fitness/ Capitals' Kuznetsov says he tested positive for COVID-19 for second time https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/capitals-kuznetsov-says-tested-positive-covid-19-second-time/ and on and on and on...
Ive said not getting a bad case of covid is probably the best thing about the vaccine.I know a number of people who are vaccinated who got covid,none of them had to go to the hospital or died. I know a few people who got covid before the vaccine,a few had to be hospitalized and 2 died. I dont know of any NFL or NBA (the sports I watch) who had to retire from covid.Thats not what I'm arguing,nor am I arguing the vaccine is worthless.I'm arguing that immunity from a prior case of covid is better than the vaccine. Personally I think the vaccine is around 70-80% effective in preventing getting covid and around 90-95 % effective in preventing a bad case of covid or death from covid.