81 Research Studies Confirm Natural Immunity to COVID ‘Equal’ or ‘Superior’

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exlib, Dec 8, 2021.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Nope, I'm posting several studies prior, but you decided to hang onto a journalist's interpretation of things.

    The YouTube videos do a good job of explaining if you struggle with reading

    https://www.jci.org/articles/view/145476/pdf
     
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    #221     Dec 14, 2021
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Today's science is same old science + some. We wouldn't have needed boosters if people had vaccinated and we had nipped alpha in the bud. Boosters are no different than needing flu shots every 2 yrs, yet no one bats an eye on that.

    Having said that, it's much more profitable to sell Americans 3 shots than selling first shots to foreigners.
     
    #222     Dec 14, 2021
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    What % of people in the FDA approval trails got the shots and still got covid?
     
    #223     Dec 14, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    First, let's once again review at a much broader dataset than the trials; the KFF vaccinated breakthrough rate by state or the CDC data on vaccinated breakthrough rate. The CDC and KFF data covering millions of people in the U.S. and the vaccinated breakthrough cases. The maximum vaccinated breakthrough rate in any state is around 0.56% and most states are below 0.2%.

    The per-reviewed papers outlining the results of the Phase 3 trails for all the vaccines used in the U.S. are quite easy to find via a simple Google search.


    For the Pfizer Phase 3 trial:

    A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

    So in summary a very low 0.037% vaccinated breakthrough rate for Pfizer.

    For the Moderna Phase 3 trial:


    The trial enrolled 30,420 volunteers who were randomly assigned in a 1:1 ratio to receive either vaccine or placebo (15,210 participants in each group). More than 96% of participants received both injections, and 2.2% had evidence (serologic, virologic, or both) of SARS-CoV-2 infection at baseline. Symptomatic Covid-19 illness was confirmed in 185 participants in the placebo group (56.5 per 1000 person-years; 95% confidence interval [CI], 48.7 to 65.3) and in 11 participants in the mRNA-1273 group (3.3 per 1000 person-years; 95% CI, 1.7 to 6.0); vaccine efficacy was 94.1% (95% CI, 89.3 to 96.8%; P<0.001).

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389


    So in summary a very low 0.072% vaccinated breakthrough rate for Moderna

    From the J&J Phase 3 trial

    The per-protocol population included 19,630 SARS-CoV-2–negative participants who received Ad26.COV2.S and 19,691 who received placebo. Ad26.COV2.S protected against moderate to severe–critical Covid-19 with onset at least 14 days after administration (116 cases in the vaccine group vs. 348 in the placebo group.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2101544

    So a low 0.59% vaccinated breakthrough rate for the single shot J&J.

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    #224     Dec 14, 2021
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    This says 95%,and it only looks at 7 days after vaccination.

    https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...h-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions



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    #225     Dec 14, 2021
  6. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

    Drops from 95 to 91 %with a longer timeframe


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    J&J just 72%

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    #226     Dec 14, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Do you understand that efficacy and effectiveness are not the same thing as vaccinated breakthrough rate. I provided the information you requested on the "% of people in the FDA approval trails got the shots and still got covid" -- including the raw numbers. This is the vaccination breakthrough rate during the trial. Efficacy and effectiveness calculation involve comparisons to the control group.
     
    #227     Dec 14, 2021
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    You did and thank you.The numbers are lower than I thought.
     
    #228     Dec 14, 2021
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Fully vaccinated uncle just tested positive for covid,with the PCR test.Says he doesn't feel bad but he has lost his taste and smell.He's pretty sure he got it at work where about 20 of his coworkers over the last few weeks have gotten it.Nearly all of his coworkers who have gotten it were vaccinated because in June his company was paying a 200.00 bonus to anyone who got vaccinated on site and nearly all the drivers and warehouse workers got the vaccine.As far as he knows none of them previously had covid.
     
    #229     Dec 15, 2021
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

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    #230     Dec 15, 2021