75% of Palestinians support murder of children

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Rearden Metal, Oct 19, 2003.

  1. How many times have you heard the following line?:

    "Islamic terrorists do not represent Muslims any more than Timothy McVeigh represents Christians".

    Sadly, reality does not support such claims.


    Poll: Majority of Palestinians Back Suicide Bombing
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    RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Seventy-five percent of Palestinians support the suicide bombing at an Israeli restaurant two weeks ago in which 21 people, including four children, were killed, a Palestinian survey showed Sunday.

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    The survey by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, which questioned 1,318 respondents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (news - web sites), also showed that 85 percent of Palestinians support a "mutual cessation of violence by both sides."

    The poll found considerable anti-American feeling among Palestinians. Just over 95 percent of respondents said the United States was "not sincere" when it says it seeks to establish a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

    In a question asking whether they supported or opposed the October 4 bombing in the northern city of Haifa, 75 percent said they either supported the attack or strongly supported it.

    Seventeen percent of respondents said they opposed the bombing and 4.4 percent said they strongly opposed the attack.

    Ayoub Mustafa, one of the pollsters, told Reuters the number may have been artificially high because respondents were not told in the question that all the 21 dead were civilians.

    He said 55 percent of respondents said they supported "armed attacks" in Israel and this number might be more reflective of Palestinian support for the Haifa attack as it was the first time they had surveyed support for specific bombings.

    The Haifa bombing was carried out by a woman who said she was avenging Israel's killing of her brother, an Islamic Jihad militant who the army said was planning a car-bomb attack.

    Just over 89 percent of Palestinians surveyed backed attacks against Jewish settlers living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, land occupied by Israel which Palestinians want for a state. A similar number supported attacks against Israeli soldiers.

    On the political front, President Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s popularity rose to its highest level in five years with 50 percent of Palestinians saying they would vote for him again if there were elections, up from 35 percent last year, the poll showed. About 80 percent of respondents attributed Arafat's rise in popularity to Israel's plans to expel him from the Palestinian territories.

    Almost 97 percent said the United States, Israel's main ally, was biased in favor of the Jewish state.

  2. so what do you propose to do about it?

  3. I wish there was an easy answer. The barrier fence under construction between Israel and the savages is a positive measure though.
  4. the truth is there is no "easy" answer. the answer is hostile arabs should be expelled out of israel proper.
  5. Cutten


    What do you think makes Palestinians so hostile to the US and Israel, to the extent that they support bombing of civilians?
  6. Were you around when President Truman interceded with Prime Minister Atlee to allow the eastern european jews to immigrate to Palestine?

    And shortly after this exodus were you around to see exactly what happened to the Palestinians because of what was suppose to be a purely humanitarian effort by the British and Americans where both sides were expected to live in peace with each other?

    If you were around and saw what happened you would know exactly what to do about this problem.

    Had we resettled these unfortunate refugees into America and perhaps to a desolate area like the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, they would all have been assimilated and there wouldn't be enough jews there now to hold a bridge tournament.

    That was and still is the answer to the problem except no american president has ever has the guts to say it out loud.

    We give Israel billions each year to buy weapons from our defense industry while we "mediate" a conflict between one opponent which uses our latest aircraft, tanks, artillery and guided missiles to make war against another who have hardly more than C4 explosives strapped to their bare bodies to throw against them.

    What we must have is a president who will stop this conflict soon or the next holocaust may include all of us.

  7. The time has come to hunt down, smoke out and give justice to the evil Palestinians, for their crimes against humanity... God Bless America and Israel in the War against the Evil Doers...
  8. :D :D :D :D :D
  9. msfe


    The return of Arabophobia

    Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are only the latest in a long line of Arab bogeymen

    Neil Clark
    Monday October 20, 2003

    First, they tried to dismiss Iraqi resistance as the work of "Saddam loyalists". Then they sought to blame "outside forces". Now, as it becomes clear that Iraqis of all sects oppose the occupation, a third explanation has arisen. Terrorism, anarchy and criminality are prevalent in Iraq because ... er ... terrorism, anarchy and criminality are what Iraqis do.

    Arabophobia has been part of western culture since the Crusades, with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden only the latest in a long line of Arab bogeymen. For centuries the Arab has played the role of villain, seducer of our women, hustler and thief - the barbarian lurking at the gates of civilisation.

    In the 20th century new images emerged: the fanatical terrorist, the stone-thrower, the suicide bomber. Now, as the Project for a New American Century suffers its first major setback in the back streets of Baghdad and Basra, Arabophobia has been given a new lease of life. "I read TE Lawrence before I came here," a British officer was quoted in the Mail on Sunday. "A century ago he recognised dishonesty was inherent in Arab society. Today is the same. They do nothing for love and nothing at all if they can help it."

    The attitudes of the officer, shocking though they are, only mirror those of the people who sent him to war. Scratch a neo-con and you find an Arabophobe. Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviser, has berated Arabs on the "need to change their behaviour". Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defence for policy, has talked of Israel's "moral superiority" over its neighbours. And the veteran foreign policy hawk Richard Perle, when asked about the fears Egyptians had of the Iraq war provoking an Arab backlash, replied: "Egyptians can barely govern their own country, we don't need advice on how to govern ours."

    For the first time, we have an American administration that talks of "de-Arabising" the Middle East - the ultimate Perleian dream of Arab nations governed by clones of Ahmed Chalabi, their bazaars buried under shopping malls and Arab hospitality (not good for business) replaced by western corporate ethics.

    It is not hard to find evidence of the increased pervasiveness of neo-con-induced Arabophobia in our media, whether intentional or not. Contrast Jeremy Paxman's handling of Ruth Wedgewood, an American neo-conservative, and Imad Moustapha, Syria's deputy ambassador to the US, on Newsnight recently. Professor Wedgewood was treated with a deference you would expect Paxman to reserve for his great aunt, Dr Moustapha with a withering contempt and studied condescension (why should we believe you, "old chap"?). But with respect, Jeremy, why should we not believe Dr Moustapha? Wedgewood was speaking for a nation that launched an illegal war of aggression on grounds which have proved to be false. Moustapha was the representative of a country which is in no breach of international law and has called for the removal of all WMD from the Middle East.

    Issues of mendacity have, of course, been a major theme in international events this year. The British public had to decide who was telling the truth: Tony Blair, with his claim that Iraq posed "a very real threat to Britain", or Saddam, with his repeated denials. The neo-cons knew that their case for war was painfully thin. But they banked on Arabophobia - stoked by their allies in the media - to do the rest: Tony, the white, middle-class churchgoer, or Saddam, the swarthy Arab? For many, there was no contest. Of course, Saddam couldn't possibly be telling the truth about not possessing WMD. He's an Arab. Arabs lie. We know this from TE Lawrence.

    Critical to the neo-con plan to obtain control of the resources of the Middle East is a need to portray Arabs not just as mendacious, but also as "barely capable" of running their own countries without benign outside interference. The neo-con notion that Arabs need "civilising" and "assistance" in shaping their future differs very little from the attitudes of the first British imperialists in Africa more than a century ago. The British and American officers who now talk of Iraqi "dishonesty", and seek to portray Iraq as a backward and savage land, would rather we forget that up until the imposition of sanctions by Britain and the US, independent Ba'athist Iraq, although a dictatorship, had the most developed infrastructure, the best healthcare and the best universities of any country in the Middle East.

    "Iraqis are the world's best dodgers and thieves - they are descended from a direct line of Ali Babas," says Corporal Kevin Harnley of the Royal Engineers, bemoaning the black market in British-issue police uniforms. The irony, that he himself has been an accomplice to one of the most audacious smash-and-grab enterprises in the history of thievery, seems to have been lost on him.

    · Neil Clark is a writer and journalist specialising in Middle Eastern and Balkan affairs
    #10     Oct 20, 2003