71.2 % Win Rate

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Huskeez, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. Sergio77

    Sergio77

    It mean 2% of current bankroll risked per trade per system. if you have 20K for example and you trade two systems you can allocate 10K each and risk $200 per trade.


    This is the best system I try to master too. When you trade like that it is very important to know how biased is the market in any direction. The methodology in this blog is useful I think (you do not need the specific software to follow it, you can develop yours along the same lines of analysis. VB+excel can do the trick)
     
    #31     Nov 23, 2013
  2. The answer is no, Benji.

    At a 3x, 45% Drawdown becomes:

    (1-0.45)^3-1=83.36% drawdown, of which no possible way to even get to the featured 1:1 would remain...

    And, yes, returning even 100x or 10,000% is probably not happening either due to the path dependence description in my answer below.

    Benji, this is a 2 profit factor with a 1:1 r:r and 50% win assumption regardless of past performance.

    You'll need to leave that return as being path dependent, and very much so you can never do (1+140.xx)^3 which will leave almost certainly less than even the 140 since the drawdown's path dependence prevents it.

    This numeric happens at greater than 40% drawdown where any typical return being so magnified and not annualizing greater than the percent drawdown has magnified trades such that during the greatest compounded period equity curves will be prevented from even making retracement to a 1x return.

    If the return was already magnified by 3x this is as great as this DOW system will do.

    In the future, recognize only APR's at least 1.5 to 2 times greater than the DD can be leveraged without worrying about drawdown path dependence.
     
    #32     Nov 23, 2013
  3. Could someone explain the calculations? Shouldn't 3x leverage & 45% drawdown lead to zero equity?
     
    #33     Dec 21, 2013
  4. Expectancy is derived entirely from win rate and profit to loss ratio. If the latter 2 are positive then the expectancy is positive also, by definition.
     
    #34     Dec 23, 2013
  5. Are you sure that is what you wanted to state? A win rate is always positive, and a ratio is always positive, yet expectancy can be negative.
     
    #35     Dec 23, 2013
  6. You are correct. Check out this as I am lazy to right down the equations in detail but basically Expectancy = wR - (1-w) where w is the win rate and R is the average win to average loss ratio. So it can be negative if wR < 1-w or R < (1-w)/w

    This is first grade stuff :)
     
    #36     Dec 24, 2013
  7. Expectancy can be negative because if R < (1-w)/w. See above. I'm sure you wanted to say something else.
     
    #37     Dec 24, 2013
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    Ben;
    its murray t turtle[nickname]

    1%] Best not to risk 10%;
    early, 1% +/. Yes i know some experienced do more %:D

    20] I dont do private mail much; i may make an exception for a Christian college woman, but that local,LOL, but true:D

    58 or 60%] Futures magazine had a real impressive futures fund named'' 60% Drawdown'' LOL, but true. Available free for traders/investors....

    10 years candlechart ]See my derivative/trend comments, gold futures section.For educational purposes only.....

    murray t turtle

    Also DOW, DIA are a good trend study, not that is as helpful as S+P,SPY.

    Also make sure to study ALL 1990-1999/20008/9 trends, 1928,1929 trends, 1930 trends -1933

    Wisdom is profitable to direct
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    :cool:
     
    #38     Jan 8, 2014
  9. there are three ways to solve a problem.

    1. rational

    2. intuitive

    3. mixed

    I found the worst is way 1 to do trading. the more you tested, the more you believe that is an edge.

    trading is not science. it is an art. do not waste time on those backtests.

    the market sometimes has patterns, but sometimes it does not.

    even we have the most advanced equipment, we still do not when earthquake will come.

    do not play statistic game, you will get burned.
     
    #39     Feb 1, 2014