54% return -- looking for an internship

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by luojun, Jun 12, 2003.

  1. luojun

    luojun

    From Wall Street City. I used power search.
     
    #61     Jun 15, 2003
  2. Well ... the reason I asked is because the number does NOT add up.


    How is possible to have 54% nominal (i.e. non-risk adjusted return) and have an alpha of 49.97%???


    The number looks fishy..
     
    #62     Jun 15, 2003
  3. check out this link:
    http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/partsub/funds/portfolio.asp?Symbol=ATCHX&Funds=1

    ATCHX's alpha is 15.38.... which is very very very rare. Keep in mind its beta is 2.69!!!

    hint: we're seeing a one-year outiler.

    If you look at your list. All funds had HIGH BETAs. As I said before, high betas are a cause for concern.


    P.S. Your calculation of beta is wrong as well. You have a low r-squared but a moderate beta....
     
    #63     Jun 15, 2003
  4. luojun

    luojun

    "We have detected that your fund violated rule 3 on Apr 11, 2003 by purchasing stock that took a position to over 25% of your fund. This is a very serious rule violation and disqualifies your fund from ranking. On Apr 15, 2003 your brought your fund back into compliance. The NAV on that date was $11.10.
    For ranking purposes, all gains and losses before Apr 15, 2003 will be ignored. We will treat the inception date of your fund to be Apr 15, 2003, and use $11.10 as the starting NAV. Again, this is only for ranking purposes, the rest of the analysis tools will work on your fund from the original date and NAV of $10. This allows you to continue working with your fund despite the rule violation, while ensuring the integrity of our fund rankings."

    I cancelled several orders then put new orders in the evening of April 10. But accidently the position exceeded 25%. It seemed all my orders were excuted. I tried to argue, but it didn't work. :( That's why it's different. Since Apr 15, 36.14% return.
     
    #64     Jun 15, 2003
  5. 36.14% is pretty damn good.
     
    #65     Jun 15, 2003
  6. luojun

    luojun

    I didn't calculate anything. I just copy & paste the data from the overview.
     
    #66     Jun 15, 2003
  7. I am using MSN money's database, which is pretty reliable.

    And none has an alpha over 17%.


    I am talking about YOUR fund performance calculation. How do you have a low r-squared but a moderate BETA?

    Formula:

    ri- rf = alpha + beta(rm-rf)

    where rf is t-bill adjusted for 252 days of trading
    ri = daily return of YOUR fund in %
    rm = S&p 5000 daily return in %.
     
    #67     Jun 15, 2003
  8. luojun

    luojun

    I don't know, frankly. It's automatically calculated by the website.
     
    #68     Jun 15, 2003
  9. Well... I have a feeling that hte website is wrong or something...

    Just use Excel and follow the above formula.

    Keep me posted.
     
    #69     Jun 15, 2003
  10. luojun

    luojun

    It's more complicated than you think. They have a cash flow game. If I don't play well, I will face negative cash flow. and one day I did see my negative cash. You can see the sharp drop in May.

    So I don't know how to adjust it. Anyway, they have real mutual funds. So I think their formulas might be correct.

    At least, you think 36.14% is impressive. :) After I close my positions, I will tell you what I have now. I also have that in my Scottrade account. :cool:
     
    #70     Jun 15, 2003