50% Annual Returns

Discussion in 'Journals' started by alphastocks, Aug 29, 2006.

  1. taowave

    taowave

    Not to get in the middle of you 2,but i believe it was you who posted

    Whoever said account size doesn't matter obviously doesn't know trading. At 70K you should be able to return 50% per month, not per yr.

    We are talking about unleveraged returns,and i doubt you are.My guess is you are trading at least 5-1 margin,and probably closer to 10-1..

    At 10-1,you are returning 60 percent unlevereaged
     
    #61     Sep 5, 2006
  2. Hybone

    Hybone

    I've already stated that I am not talking about equities or futures. I'll end it here; I am really not interested in getting into a pissing match like so many threads ended up (show me your trading statement ... or, my daddy can beat your daddy, etc). I am sorry that I brought it up. This will be my final post on this subject/thread. Good luck!


     
    #62     Sep 5, 2006
  3. Thought of that, however here lies a few problems:

    1. Many of the stocks I hold are not optionable or provides too little premium to make a difference.

    2. Limiting the upside is not acceptable as it needs all the profit possible to counteract loosing positions, in fact that is the whole key.

    3. With a 20 day hold I would have to exit the option and loose too much on bid/ask spread on thinly traded issues.

    I have found that what works best for me is a combination of shorting stocks and selling naked calls to hedge.

    Not to hedge at all is fine too as long as you have a long term view and not put all your eggs in one basket.
     
    #63     Sep 5, 2006
  4. CKCM has only been held for 15 days, however since Illinois Tool Works has agreed to acquire the company at $22.75 and the stock is now at $22.50 we will sell the position. Consequently there will be two new long entries for Sep 06.


    STOCK TO BUY FOR SEP 06, 2006 - IIVI

    STOCK TO BUY FOR SEP 06, 2006 - ALSK


    STOCK TO SELL FOR SEP 06 - RES -2.3% RETURN

    STOCK TO SELL FOR SEP 06 - CKCM 54% RETURN
     
    #64     Sep 5, 2006
  5. Short stock + short call = Texas hedge... which is no hedge at all.
     
    #65     Sep 5, 2006
  6. Q12

    Q12

    It is if you're long the stk as well (which I think was his point).
     
    #66     Sep 5, 2006
  7. taowave

    taowave

    you jumped in a bit late...He essentially has an equity portfolio that best correlates to the Midcap..he has a holding period of 20 days and rotates a buy and sell every day..

    His return is apx 68% non leveraged,with 6% SD..I backed out a Sharpe of apx 3,which i find very hard to believe,but he may be the ultimate stock picker..

    Quite frankly,with thoise returns,I would collar the position with the S&P and take on tracking and corrlation risk...
     
    #67     Sep 5, 2006
  8. By the way I don't mean short the call and short the same stock.
    One stock might be short, while another might be short the call so to provide a bit of extra cashflow, plus a hedge in case the market falls out of bed.

    Anyway folks shouldn't get caught up in the hedge, that's not what this is all about.
     
    #68     Sep 5, 2006
  9. Hamlet

    Hamlet

    What I find astonishing is that 80% of the returns could be due to the stockpicking/fundamentals. With such a short holding period and since fundamentals usually take longer than 20 days to play out, I feel inclined to attribute more of the performance to the timing/technicals.

    Alpha, any comments on this? Have you tried backtesting buying ALL of the stocks meeting both your fundamantal and technical criteria and then selling after 20 days, instead of using the one buy/sell per day method?
     
    #69     Sep 6, 2006
  10. Alpha,

    Excellent returns and great thread. I was wondering if you have read "How To Make Money In Stocks" and base your picks on CANSLIM principles.


    Thanks,

    Brian
     
    #70     Sep 6, 2006