5 Reforms To Gun Laws That Would Actually Make A Difference

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tom B, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. Tom B

    Tom B

    I have read the ruling. Of course it was a landmark decision. What Supreme Court ruling (or the constitution) said that the states gave individuals the RIGHT to bear arms (for 200 years)?
     
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    #31     Nov 17, 2017
  2. I have to disagree here. We have a system now where there are federal background checks before buying a gun from a dealer. I think the dealer has to keep a record but there is no federal registration. The only real purpose of a list of gunowners is to be able to round them or their guns up. Or expose their addresses to criminals.
     
    #32     Nov 17, 2017
  3. ''Registering the gun doesn't stop people to own guns''


    That has to be the most ignorant comment I've ever read.
     
    #33     Nov 17, 2017
  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    That would be the tenth amendment.
     
    #34     Nov 17, 2017
  5. Tom B

    Tom B

    That is wrong. Are you joking? Watch the first couple of minutes.
     
    #35     Nov 17, 2017
  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    You might be flying by the seat of your pants on this, but I’m not.

    The 14th amendment aspect was settled in a subsequent case, McDonald v. Chicago. This was another landmark decision, not a clarification.
     
    #36     Nov 17, 2017
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    If you do any research at the time the right to keep and own guns was explicit in state constitutions. Similar explicit language was offered for the constitution but was rejected. The federal government at the time was not concerned with private ownership, but ownership for the purpose of protecting the country. The founders were leery of having a standing army, that didn’t last long, so they decided on citizen militias for protection. Thus, the right to bear arms for the purpose of militias.
     
    #37     Nov 17, 2017
  8. Tom B

    Tom B

    The individual right to bear arms is explicit in the 2nd amendment. You moved on to the 14th amendment without covering the 10th amendment that you brought up.
     
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    #38     Nov 17, 2017
  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    No. The best textual argument you have is the second amendment is written in an ambiguous way.

    This is too painful for me. Let me make your argument for you. You should be arguing private ownership of guns for personal use is IMPLIED in the second amendment and the Heller case affirmed an unrecognized constitutional right.
     
    #39     Nov 17, 2017
  10. Tom B

    Tom B

    I have been.
    Individual = private right / use.
     
    #40     Nov 17, 2017