$5.9 billion a month habit

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ZZZzzzzzzz, Mar 8, 2006.


  1. no Z you are the ditto head with very negative, pessimesstic views on the world and the way its heading, you offer nor report anything good that is happening or a new step in the right direction, you only point out the dark side of everything. Look at how we all live today and compare that with 10, 20, 50 years ago -> its better and keeps on getting better and the USA government has been operating the same way in which it has done for many, many years.
     
    #21     Mar 9, 2006
  2. achilles28

    achilles28



    No he doesn't. If he did, he would have put this country on a Manhattan-type crash program for free energy as soon as he stepped into office.

    Wanna know why he didn't? Because special interests groups have BUSHS DICK IN THEIR BACK POCKET. Just like every president since the turn of the century.

    The whole thing is bought and paid for.

    Proof?

    We would've had free energy by now.


    Take 1/10th of whats been pissed away in Iraq and put it toward real, ultra cheap, high yield energy.

    In reality, no politician dares because big oil/defense will destroy them or lavishly finance every candidate who agrees to run against them.

    Bought and paid for.






    You, like most of 'your ilk', need to start thinking outside the box.

    You're stuck in the petrochemical paradigm. Its a fools game. Nothing more.

    We live in a universe where one pound of dog shit contains enough raw atomic energy to power an entire city for a month.

    And yet, we devote absolutely no resources into finding out how to do this. Or to other less lofty, proven techniques (high yield electrolysis - already done and comfirmed by Navy and British scientists yet the technology mysteriously 'disappeared')



    No. He's also doing it for his big oil/defense masters who own him.

    He's also a complete fuckup who surrounded himself with 'yes men' and ignored/steamrolled dissenting opinion.

    This led to :

    1) a bogus war based purely on cherry picked intel

    and

    2) a fucking disaster left behind in Iraq which predictably, had been foreseen by military planners prior to ever setting foot there.

    Quagmire, anyone? Hope you like being greeted as liberators with flowers and chocolates ;)) Lol.

    Sad, sad sad.




    If an impending oil crisis poses such a risk to Americas economic vitality - which it does - then why have no REAL strides been made to DEVELOP an effective and inexhaustible supply of dirt cheap energy? Considering this nations near UNLIMITED POCKETS and UNPARRELLED intellectual capital??

    rhetorical question.



    Try a few years, max. Start thinking x-prize. Put up 50 billion for a global free energy xprize and let the world do the work for us.

    Take another 100 billion and job it out to Government scientists. Employ the whole fucking lot of them.

    A FAR FAR wiser, CHEAPER and ultimately liberating investment that will pay incalculable dividends into the future.





    You mean the rights he deprived Iraqis of while we stood approvingly by - arming him to the teeth with biologicals??

    That BASTARD!! hehe.




    It already has.


    Indeed. Hopefully they will. I doubt it will come to that.

    Iraqis haven't hit rock bottom. This is one situation where nation building wont work.

    Its not that it can't - although its a real long shot.
     
    #22     Mar 9, 2006
  3. i honestly do agree with you that not enough is being done now to move towards self-renewable energy. this should be america's numero uno goal in short & long term, but like you say the oil companies run the world.

    i believe the government should be pumping money into self-renewable energy research and development and bring it to a commerical level. this is something the people/corps have to initiate because the government isnt doing enough. there should be exceptional economics benefits for a corp to conduct R&D into green energy. but until then theres a REAL threat out there.
     
    #23     Mar 9, 2006
  4. achilles28

    achilles28


    Thats wrong on so many levels.

    The American public isn't stupid, they've just been buffaloed into political apathy.

    The myriad of Government legislation, legal red tape coupled with nonstop spin and deceptive politics have turned everyone OFF politics.

    People actually care and if presented with an opportunity for an earnest two-way dialogue where their opinions could actually be heard, validated and responded to with DIRECT, appropriate answers - not this spin doctoring, advance-at-all-costs bullshit - people would LOVE to sit down and engage in a constructive, national debate .

    If Bush came to the country and said "Look, we need energy bad. We're not clamoring yet, but in the next couple decades we're gonna need it or this country could be in some serious financial trouble. Saddams a fuck, we dont have much but he's got a history. We want to go in, put in a US-friendly democracy that'll secure our energy needs for the foreseeable short term while liberating Iraqis from a ruthless dictator. Win win."

    Most rationale people, when presented with those facts, would likely agree - assuming causalities on both sides are kept to a minimum.

    But the more astute would say, "If this is all about energy, then lets get the fuck off oil so we dont need to finance these HUGELY costly military incursions, invasions and occupations to begin with!!"

    And theres the rub. People would ultimately catch on this is all about energy and force big oil/defenses hand.

    How about free energy? fuck that. No way. We need to keep this nation hopelessly addicted to big oil and war because thats whats best for Americas two most powerful special interest groups.

    So politicians lie and connive and cheat and spin knowing they'll get financed out of office real quick if they chose to take on the juggernauts and be a real leader of the people and for the people.

    Its rigged. We're in a positive feedback loop now. Politicians are whores who lack a single moral shred of decency or bravery in their body to actually stand up and do the right thing.




    What are you talking about???

    I said its GOVERNMENT whose screwing the vets. Not the vets screwing each other.

    And if you think its acceptable for vets to rely on charity to get the treatment they need after paying the ultimate price, you're dead wrong.

    Most tax payers would gladly foot the bill for wounded vets. Yet, its the Government whose fucking these veterans out their rightfully owed healthcare.

    Why? Because Bush is a scumbag.






    Because you're whole argument is flawed to begin with.

    If money is no object when securing Americas future vitality, then that money would BEST be spent on developing DIRT CHEAP ENERGY -- and not on some fools errand in Iraq that most people on the inside KNEW was a mess to begin with.

    Other than fiscal considerations, war generates huge HUMAN causlaties on BOTH sides, has emboldened more terrorists then its killed (pentagon report) and created a massive drain on this countries economy to prop up a nation whose teetering on civil war.

    Quagmire.

    With huge sums of cash spinning its wheels in the form of idle troops, fuel and arms accomplishing nothing..

    Money could have been spent MUCH BETTER elsewhere.


    Your statement is true for only those industries which cannot amass sufficient wealth in concentrated hands to elicit a perceptible change in Government by Corporate bribes (read: special interest).

    This is what is meant by the 'military-industrial-complex' --- HUGE industries controlled by a few players that generate MASSIVE wealth compared to their industrial counterparts.

    You would be well versed to go find out EXACTLY what Eisenhower meant. When you do, you will understand why Big Oil, defense and banking run this country into the fucking ground.

    They have inordinate wealth to spend. So they spend it on politicians to 1) rewrite laws in their favor and 2) engage in extradomestic activity which ultimately pours dollars into their coffers (war and plunder).


    What interest is that? The peoples interest in general - giving us skyrocketing tax rates, declining social services, and an ever depreciating dollar, terrible education and a judiciary that rules against citizens rights in favor of states rights on a regular basis???

    Or the Government increasingly acts in its OWN best interests and those of the corporate machine that feed it - at the expense of average citizen? Yep.


    You've got it backwards. The more attuned citizens are to their Government, the more healthy that Government is. And therefore, the citizens.

    Unchecked Government doesn't fix problems. It creates them.

    This is exactly what the founders taught us and designed the Constitution to thwart.

    ho hum.
     
    #24     Mar 9, 2006
  5. achilles28

    achilles28


    I agree with all of that.

    Just the timetable.

    The oil problem could have been solved decades ago had we had any modicum of real leadership in the White House.

    Submitting to the problem isn't going to make it go away. Just worse.

    We can't wait. We need 'the bomb' now.

    We have brain power and cash. Lets use it.

    No one will do it though. Not until every last drop is pumped, ever billion of profit squeezed and every oil bearing land plundered.

    Are we still gonna be around then? And even if we are, is it worth it? Killing fucking millions because we're too damn cowardly to standup against the oligarchies.

    A sad, sad commentary on this generations character in the face of adversity.


    Thats another can of worms all together.
     
    #25     Mar 9, 2006
  6. OOPS. Now the thread says "month", not "day". Res to the rescue after the time limit is up!
     
    #26     Mar 9, 2006
  7. Hey Pollyana,

    The news is mostly bad.

    Deal with it.

     
    #27     Mar 9, 2006

  8. Through your eyes it is.
     
    #28     Mar 10, 2006
  9. MRWSM

    MRWSM

    Now Bush wants to sell our nuclear secrets to India, no less after the port fiasco. They never learn that todays friends= tomorrows enemy's. Can I take my vote back?
     
    #29     Mar 10, 2006