i didnt say ''etx and ig are currently doing these amounts''.. lol I used those 2 and those amounts for examples to explain it. As most people on here are from usa and so wont understand about promo capital offers as they only ever traded trhough brokers not SBs. VCFinancials were doing £500 a few months ago, ETX do the £100, CMC had a £250 offer about 3weeks ago too. The trick is that you have to do it for youself, and then about 10 -20 other people too. Its not too hard, as all you need is people who are over 18 and live at different addresses to you. So you get your mates/distant family and relatives to let you open accounst for them, most of them probs wont even ahve a clue what trading means, let alone want to do it themself. then you can redo it a few times per week for the whole month. May only be £25-£100 per day, but average that at £60 and x it by 20days that £1,200 TAX FREE and RISK FREE cash into you bank each month.
Good man.. Theres a whole range of different instruments that can be used and manipulated to certain extents in various ways so that you can leverage money out of it risk free and tax free. Im feeling in a writey sorta mood, and as im starting a uninversity degree in march i may as well practise having to write 10000s of words, so i will call this guide ''The way of the cockroach''. As well all know the famous saying- ''Adapt or die'' said the cockroach to the dinosaur. And so why live like a dinosaur with haing to do hardwork and early mornings and all that crap, when you can instead live the life of the cockroach hehe The way of the cockroach 1stly you need a place to live. You want somewhere really nice and luxury in a really posh expensive area, but you dont want to have to spend ANY of your own money on it at all. Not a problem at all. For those not from UK, or even those who are from UK but dont know much abouts the benefits system here allow me to explain. As soon as you are unemployed you go on your local councils website, print off the form to claim housing benefit and council tax benefit, fill in the pages with your name, address and basic info, and bank account details of where they need to pay your money... ect And then just post it off to the council. They get it, check the PAYE tax database to see if you are currently registered as employed and so paying tax, and because you will not be as you are unemployed you claim is approved automatically, and a few days later they send you the letter with confirmation of this, and then every 2weeks you get the few hundred pounds transferred automatically into your bank account. And that will just continue to go into your account by direct debit automcatically every 2weeks for however many years and years you stay alive and not paying tax, or till you write to them saying that your circumstances have now changed. You may be thinking ''i heard benefits people get rubbish money to live off though''. Currently the average salary for a fulltime worker in the UK is between £15,000 - £19,000 per year, and thats before tax. And that is only after you have done a few years training and have a such as a nurse, school teacher, airport security, supermarket manager.. ect about 90% of lower level jobs will pay even less than that Tax will knock of 22% of that, and then what you are left with is paid monthly. So even someone whos got a ''higher end salary'' of £19,000 per year will only actually get £1,235 into their bank account each month after paying the tax on it. For somone whos on £16,000 or under per year that goes under £1,000 per month after tax. And from that they have to pay- *However many hundred pounds the monthly train fare is, to and from work. *The £100-£200 per month council tax bill. *However many hundreds of pounds per month the rent is. In contrast the current amount of money that a single person, aged over 25, and doesn't have any kids gets paid into their bank account each month is- £700 per month Housing benefit money. + (£100-£200) in the form of not having to pay any council tax as you get council tax benefit. + £256 per montb JSA. (pop in to the local jobcentre 2x per month for a few minutes just to sign a bit of paper to say that you went there and signed it. Thats a total of....... _____________________ £1,106 per month (Tax free) for doing... well doing nothing. lol You just get it automatically into you bank each month though to keep paying for all the stuff you want. *With no travel to work expenses. *No early mornings. *No having to anser to any boss or anyone at all. *Can spend your day relaxing, working out at the gym, watching porn, wanking, eating, sleeping, sunbathing, swimming, or just doing whatever you want to do as you dont have to answer to anyone at all ever! And if you start having children that rises up by £200 per month, PER KID. So you have 3kids, and you are roling in the money. However this is where the problems start, and where you need to start getting CREATIVE, as for people who are aged 18 - 25 they only pay you £654 per month! :eek: But theres a VERY VERY easy and simple LEGAL way if fixing this. A method that makes sure it breaks absolutely no laws or commits any criminal acts whatsoever. And is covers its defences so tightly that you can walk into the council office building holding a banner saying ''i am lying to you'', and yet knowing full well that you are lying they still cant legally say anything to you or stop paying your that oney every month (Im abit tired now so gna go watch a movie and have some hotdogs then go to sleep as ive got a long day of relaxing ahead of me tomorrow.) But il post full details of this method tomorrow, plus other helpful info. But for tonight il also copy and paste a little article i wrote a few months ago regarding the ebay scamming loophole...... *1stly i would just like to say that im not making this topic to promote, recruit, advocate or educate people about this scam. The people who do want to scam people on ebay so that they get stuff for free without any legal risk will have already worked out about the loopholes that have created this scam being there. And will already be doing it daily. So this thread isnt intended or likely to 'recruit and teach new scammers. (However if it does thats not a bad thing as it means theres even more incentive on ebay to do something about this to close the loopholes!! -Ebay are FULLY and TOTALLY aware about this scam's existence. -They know that its going on daily, -They know that its due to the loopholes in their 2 systems that this scam exists. And yet they conciously and actively choose to ignore it though, and so instead are choosing to leave the loopholes open instead of closing them. THE SCAMS Ok there are currently 2 scams out there that are basically unavoidable and un-defendable, ebay is fully aware of both of them and has been for nearly 2years now, yet simply chooses to allow the loopholes to stay open so that the scams can continue. The 1st one (much more primitive and less harsh) About 1year ago ebay changed the rules of feedback so that ONLY buyers can leave bad feedback to sellers, but sellers cant leave feedback to scam buyers. (This caused a huge uproar in the ebay sellers community, and led many many ebay businesses, including the 1 that i owned, to have to close down compeletely as we just couldnt afford to take the risks caused by this new setup and the ridiculous loopholes in it that meant EVERY SINGLE buyer can scam and blackmail you). The 1st scam is- 1. Buyer sees you selling something, is winning bidder/or does the buy it now option, win the item, and pays you for it normally through paypal. 2. Once they recieve the item they then send you an email to your personal email address saying ''I got the item, but i feel i paid too much for it and so you can either send me a cheque/paypal payment/bank transfer for 1/2, 3/4s, or even all the money that i paid you, or if you dont i will leave you negative feedback. And as you know if you get 3 negative feedbacks in 1month you will automatically be banned from ebay as a seller, and since you are a business seller losing your business would be a huge problem for you. So just refund me most of the money and you wont hear from me again''. 3. You either give in to the blackmail and refund them, and then blacklist their username from ever buying from you again + make a note of their postage address so you know that when they have multiple ebay names and try do scam you again you would know that they are the same scammer (unless they give different postage addresses, which many people do as they dont want anyone knowing their home address, so they use mail-forwarding addresses). OR
You refuse to be blackmailed, they give you negative feedback, + if you have any other items up for sale they will just log-in with the other usernames, buy-it-now on them, and then instantly leave 2 more negative feedbacks. So a few hours later ebay's system automatically bans you form being able to sell/sometimes bans you from being able to even log-in with your username again depdning if you get a 'selling restriction' or a 'permenant ban'. *You can try phoning ebay to complain, but findout they have no phone number. You can email them saying you've been blacmailed, about 3-5days later they will ask for solid proof, which you wont be able to provide as there is no permissable evidence, and so they will then just ignore you and you will stay banned and have lost your entire business and living all for just 1sale! Not nice, not nice at all. Would be a very unplesant situation to be in, your head would become really realy hot, you would fel scared n nervous and panicky, your brain would constantly keep weighing up teh 2 options to try working out what once was less worse, while at teh same time you would feel so angry and abused knwoing that some random prik behind a screen out there is using and abusing you and threating your entire business that you could have sent years building up, without even giving a toss about you! So not plesant at all. However that is still the much more primitive and vulgar choice of scam. Doesn't really have any special niches or use any intricate loopholes, is just like a caveman approach saying 'Im gna scam you and unless you let me scam you i will grass you up for something, but you arent able to grass me up as you dont have the option too. Now however we come onto the 2nd much much more leathal and deadly scam!! And this scam is really really not a nice one to be done over by, as its designed and executed in a such a precise slick manner, not only using a whole variety of systems and loopholes, but actually going back to primitive science and using the 'cant prove something doesnt exist' angle. And so this scam is the really really dangerous one. 2nd scam 1. You see something being sold on ebay that you either would like to have / would like to sell So you win it either by buy-it-now, or bidding (and you can outbid anyone as your gna get it for free anyways). 2. You pay for it through paypal just like normal, are very polite and friendly to the seller through the whole process even, and just wait till it arrives. 3. You have bought a brand new top of the range mobile phone, so the box comes, and you sign for it as normal since the seller would have sent it recorded delivery. (If as a seller you were stupid and foolish enough to send something not recorded delivery you are already screwed, since theres no proof taht you went anything so buyer can just go on paypal and ay they never recieved anything. Paypal freeze the money, ask you for tracking number, and if you cant enter it you'l lose all the money as it gets refunded back to the buyer). 4. But lets say that it wasn't an idiot, was just a normal standard seller who sent you the phone recorded delivery, and so you happily sign for that package when it comes. You open the box and check the phone is new and does work fine and everything 1stly. The you go onto the paypal website, got to the transaction and click teh buttom saying 'open dispute'. You then click the option saying ''Recieved item, but was significantly not as descibed''. 5. Paypal's system automatically freezes the money in the sellers account (if they have withdrawn it already they debit the account ito minus, so your in debt to paypal), and in the dispute box on paypal it says to the seller ''Buyer says you sent item significantly not as described, your options are to offer partial/full refund without requesting goods back, or ask for buyer to return item and you will refund. (You dont get a choice about refunds on ebay, and espcially when your dealing selling electronics your forced to allow 28days full refund policy). 6. So seller goes on, sees this, is confused as they are pretty sure they didnt send the wrong items to wrong buyers, but say ok fair enough he can send it back and il give him a full refund as i dont have a choice about it. And so clicks that option. 7. You get a jiffy bag/postage box, fill it up with sheets of scrap paper weighing roughly the same as the phone's box did, and send that recorded delivery to the seller, keeping your receipt from the post-office with the tracking number on it. 8. You then go onto paypal's website, go to the dispute resolution box, and where it says 'Buyer enter tracking number of returned purchase' you just enter this number in. That system is automaticlaly connected with royalmail's system, and so as soon as the package is delivered and so updated on royalmails database its automaticlaly triggered on the paypal one and so the dispute is closed and the money is sent back to your account for your to withdraw. 9. Meanwhile seller looks in box, sees that they sold a £400 phone and only got back 40pence worth of paper, they go onto paypals website and see tat the dispute has been closed and that paypal have taken £400 out of their account and given it back to the buyer, and they look and see theres no option of them complaining either! Game-set-match. The seller is totally and utterly f****ing screwed over. And theres no procedure of recourse, no system of how you can complain about this, nothing you can do. And thats where the real true horric beauty of this scam lies... Since what could you possibly do now?? How can you physically prove what was sent to you inside that box?? (With permissable evidence ofcourse) The 1 and only method of protection that you would have to do to be able to prove what was sent in that package to you would be to have a CCTV camera running 24/7 in your house that could see your front door so could see when the postman handed you the package and you signed for it, would have to be zoomed in and clear enough to show the tracking number on that package as he handed it to you, would have to be accurate enough to be able to prove that he was a genuine postman, and then would have to be zoomed in enough and clear enough to show you opening that sealed package with that tracking number on it and to see what was the contents of that package. +That camera in your house would have to be operated by the police or similar 3rd party agency and so you would have no way of accessing and editing the footage on it. And that is why this scam is so dangerous, as you have no way of protecting yourself, and no way of appealing ever as you will NEVER EVER EVER physcially be able to prove what the seller sent you in that package. Its simply physiclaly impossible to prove. Postage collection scam The scammer puts highish value, but more importantly very popular items up for sale. (Mobile hones, Wiis, Nintendo DS, latest ipods... ect) They can afford to undercut every other seller on the site by £20 - £30, so will get all the buyers normally, and so doing multiple quanity buy-it-now format on a DS lite they can rackup 15 t 20sales in an average/good day. The scam is that other sellers doing it for £100 total- £90 item £10 postage. But so they list it for sale at £50 + postage of £30. At the end of the day while a few more experienced ebayers would be very cautious n reluctant to get item for less but without the moneyback garauntee of high postage back too, the majority of buyers are going to merely be normal people who buy some from ebay maybe 1x or 2x per month as its cheaper than shops. So they wont understand or be aware of the dangers, and if they see they can pay £80 of 1ebay member instead of £100 from another ebay seller they will ofcourse buy it from the 1st cheapest one. However the way that this scam works then is- The seller would just send an empty DS lite box. Buyer gets it an complains, and seller pretends to be very apologetic and says ''Oh sorry, its shipped stright from our wholesale unit to you so it must be a factory mistake. Il happily refund you. Heres the link for refund process'' The link they send is the link for ebay 'non-sale/refund process, which the buyer clicks the button saying they want refund, and seller clicks button saying they agree to it. Once both parties agree then automatically the money is refunded back from the sellers paypal account to the buyers, and the feedback leaving option is cancelled. Dispute over, no further options of complaining and no option of leaving bad feedback as theres been no-sale anymore, and since seller has done their duty and offered the full refund ebay wont allow anything bad to be said or done to them now. However the 'full refund' that you get back as the buyer is actually only what you paid on the item (not including what you paid in postage). So that why the seller can easily afford to undercut every single other seller on the site, since they dont ever even actually buy the items at wholesale themself. They merely sell an empty box, split the price between item/postage, refund every buyer trhough paypal's system, and just rackup the postage profit form each sale!
Not a bad scam-setup at all tbh! Since you are at no risk whatsoever as your doing nothing wrong or against ebay/paypal's rules, your actually going out of your way to comply with the rules and have good customer service by being polite and offering fast refunds. So there cant ever be a complaint about you, you wont ever get any sort of feedback as the buyer wont be able to leave any. And all you need to do is get an ebay account with 1,000+ postive feedback (can easily be be bought for £5), and then your off and away with no risk. And while it may not seem like much skimming £20 profit of each sale, you sell your item as a DS lite or Ipod undercutting the market price, and you will EASILY get 15 sales EVERYDAY!! 15 x £20 = £300 tax free & risk free profit per day, everyday. So all you need is to just do this like you would any other job, by having consistency putting in the hours of doing it everyday, day after day without fail, (7days per week)... And after just 1year of your job you will have earnt- £300 x 360days = £108,000 tax free and risk free per year!! It may sound like alot, and so will sound unreal or to good to be true, but honestly its an extremely easy simple scam to do, has no risk at all in it, and if you work for just 6hours per day at it you will be on a tax-free 6figure salary. *P.S- Im not trying to recruit anyone to doing this scam btw though or 'glorify' it. Im merely just showing people how easy this scam is to do though and how profitable it is even if you only do £20 postage per item. So now everyone who reads this and uses ebay can now atleast know how easy it would be for them to be scammed either as a buyer OR as a seller. And now that you can all see how strong a financial incentive there is from scammers, combined with how theres no risk for them, you can start to get an idea of just how many scammers there really are out there. 1/10 ebayers? 1/16 maybe??
lol. Look forward to finding out your jobseekers scam details. You gonna post them today? I dont agree with your Ebay ideas though, i must admit. I dont mind ripping money off the governmentm but not some poor soul who parted with their hardearned money only to recieve an empty box! Im spreadbetting from the UK and am thinking about starting to get dole money aswell, although i really cant be arsed to go and 'sign on' every few weeks. Free money is always nice though!! Im making quite good money at the moment through my trading though. Nothing fantastic as I only trade between £2-4 per point, but I've been buying the DOW pretty much everyday for months and am making more money than most of my friends! It just goes up and up. When it goes down, the American governement step in, and rally it ! Also, the markets are geared to go up over time anyway, so if you trade small and average in, its pretty much free money to trade teh Dow/ES long all the time. Works for me. Look forward to finding out how to get more money from the doll from you though!
The benefits system is screwed up by under the labour party, roll on the next lot who have already said they will make it less profitable to be on the dole than go to work. And I mean who proudly says, "I sit at home wanking and collect the dole" man you must be a real hit with the ladies
He has his mirror to hand I presume.. 'Im feeling in a writey sorta mood, and as im starting a uninversity degree in march i may as well practise having to write 10000s of words' This is one of the funniest things I have ever read. I hope this thread never gets deleted.. there's pure gold in them hills.
Thanks mate, and nice one about your trading. I also do agree with you though that the ebay scam isnt nice at all, and so i personally dont ever do it, even when im buying expensive items, because im not ''harsh'' inside. However its always comforting to know that if there was ever a life or death emergency that you always have a source of earning a few thousand pounds per week of risk free easy money. (Hopefully il never need to do it though) And yep il post the JSA manouver later this evening, and will also post a way that EVERY SINGLE company can avoid paying any tax LEGALLY!!
As your so interested il happliy sow you the university degrees that im starting from March. http://www.le.ac.uk/cp/courses/pg/dl/index.html (Bottom 2 from there as the foundation and the bachelours degree) And then this as the masters (http://wwwm.coventry.ac.uk/postgrad...ft_BusinessEnvironmentSociety.aspx?itemID=109)