401k for short-duration trading account (tax benefits)?

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by stockmarketbeginner, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. sss12

    sss12

    The penalty and the ordinary taxes comes when the money is removed from the plan.

    What is your response to my main point ? What plan are you referring to ? Who is your employer ?
     
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    #11     Jan 15, 2018
  2. I *am* including the income tax (to emphasize, I put caps lock extra words in to show that the income tax is paid):

    Start: 1200
    End: 1881
    capital gain = 1881 - 1200 = 681
    capital gain TAXED AT ORDINARY INCOME TAX RATE OF 25 PERCENT= .25(681) = 170.25
    penalty on capital gain = .1(681) = 68.1

    Gross - income tax - penalty = net
    1881 - 170.25 - 68.1 = 1642.65

    I am not seeing where the math is incorrect.
     
    #12     Jan 15, 2018
  3. jl1575

    jl1575

    penalty is 10% on the total withdrawal(if earlier than 59.5), not on the capital gain. They don't care how much capital gain, the only thing that matters is how much is the distribution.
    Listen to Robert, he is the expert.
     
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    #13     Jan 15, 2018
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  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    This be why you pay a CPA for the end-of-year returns. And if he/she is a funny, they will be pirate and yell "arrrr" a lot and speak of their peg-leg and eviscerating parrot.
     
    #14     Jan 15, 2018
  5. I got it now... thanks! The entire input amount to the 401k has to get taxed. I was taxing only the capital gains portion.
     
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    #15     Jan 15, 2018
  6. jl1575

    jl1575

    What Robert said is completely correct.
     
    #16     Jan 15, 2018
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  7. Definitely! I always have an accountant do my taxes. Money well spent.
     
    #17     Jan 15, 2018

  8. Thanks. I got it now.
     
    #18     Jan 15, 2018
  9. sss12

    sss12

    You are stating the obvious and not getting the nuances and details that others are trying to point out. I would suggest you re read this entire thread.

    The IRS did not change the tax code so that a simple work around would defeat the whole purpose.

    One very simple point you have not acknowledged is that most EMPLOYERS ,who administer the bulk of 401k plans , do not allow Short term trading. No matter what your google search/zacks investment web site implies.
     
    #19     Jan 15, 2018
  10. Thanks... got it now!
     
    #20     Jan 15, 2018