I was in the convenience store yesterday and a guy totally flipped out on the cashier because they didn't have some product he wanted in stock. We've all seen freaks like this - people who have no control over their emotions. It doesn't happen often, but when I meet one of these people it's more than enough to make me glad I live in countries where guns are banned. I'm a fourth degree back belt and the guy wasn't the least bit intimidating. But he would have scared me shitless if he'd been holding a gun. The reality is that 99% of the people who post on ET fall under the socially aware category (unless you throw monitors at your prop office). But I think it's fair to say that the people on this board don't present an "average representation" of the American populace. Think of the dumbest, most inbred, least controlled person you know and imagine them with a gun. Forget the stats, the thought of some people I've met is more than enough to make me anti-gun.
why, aaa, of course you couldn't be impressed, you like guns, after all. but still, you really mustn't forget the real reason the usa has the by far highest rate of gun deaths among the worlds richest nations: we alone amongst all other nations have the lil black helicopters to contend with, the nasty kind, those that can reproduce. and as there really is no telling who might turn into one next, we have to regularly kill some people just in case. shoot first, ask questions later:eek: :eek: as a matter of fact, just for you, and under great personal danger, i came up with an interview of one of the lil black helicopter pilots: What follows is an interview I conducted with one of the mysterious and legendary Black Helicopter⢠Pilots. For obvious reasons the individual wishes to hide his/her identity and will therefore only be known as WhirlyBird. Lonegunmen: Whirlybird, could you please introduce yourself and tell the good people what your gainful employment is? Whirlybird: Yes, I am ruttin' tuttin' cotton pickin' Black Helio' Pilot!!! You hearin' me critter? Lonegunmen: Please! Whirlybird, put those six-shooters away and stop talking like that. I have no wish to be sued be Warner Brothers for copyright infringement. Whirlybird: I'm only joking! I'm a big fan of Yosemite Sam and we Black Helicopter⢠Pilots are renowned for our humour. Lonegunmen: OK, could you tell me how and why you became a Black Helicopterâ¢? Whirlybird: Sure! As a kid, I would watch Airwolf, Knight Rider, Street Hawk and Automan. However, it must be said that Street Hawk and Automan were not of the same high standard as Airwolf or Knight Rider, but I will explain why later. Lonegunmen: All right then I will allow the mystery for now, but I don't see the connection between your present covert work and the TV show Airwolf. Whirlybird: Patients young Jedi... Lonegunmen: Look if you don't stop infringing copyright. I'll kick you square in the beanbag... I know Kung Fu... Moreover, there can be only one Highlander... Doh!!! Whirlybird: You crack me up boy and that is the only thing keepin' you alive. You see there are people, faceless, nameless, but powerful people who have meetings about whether to terminate you. However, I said that would make you a martyr... Wait a second that meeting was about Agents Mulder and Scully. Scully, is the modern day version of Lois Lane. "Look Scully a UFO. No Mulder it's just light refracting off my vacuous head!" Lonegunmen: It is so true! Nevertheless, how did you get into your current line of work. Whirlybird: Yes, as I was saying. I was watching Airwolf and was fascinated by the technology and the super secret work. Little did I know the show was funded by the the Children's Television and Indoctrination of Fragile Little Minds⢠Who's job it is to train the youth for all kinds of assassination tasks. The department is currently working on First Person Shooter games that will make a better killer. Lonegunmen: That is shocking! Whirlybird: Yes, but people always said TV was educational and they were right... Muhahahahahahaha!!! Where was I? Lonegunmen: How you became a Black Helicopter⢠Pilot. Whirlybird: Yes after watching Airwolf I joined the military and was told that Airwolf and playing Green Beret, meant my training was complete and that I could go straight into the work of overthrowing countries that no in America would have heard of. Unless the President pulls out a map and explains this is were the country is,and CNN will provide continuos coverage of the airstrikes! Lonegunmen: After that you were sheep dipped into the super secret New World Orderâ¢? Whirlybird: Yes, I joined the Black Helicopter⢠Wing. My role is really making sure our Alien Overlords⢠get their pizza delivered on time. Lonegunmen: You expect me to believe that all these secret organisations are just here to service a bunch of maniacal aliens? Whirlybird: Yes, you should believe it, because the media and the government have not told you to think any different. And don't call our majestic Alien Overlords⢠maniacal! They have mind control powers that can make you believe that reality shows are real and that your government has your best interests at heart, and not those of the Unions or Oil-Men. That depends on which puppet our Overlords decide should run the show government for the New World Orderâ¢. Lonegunmen: You paint a really manipulative and cynical picture of the world. Do you actually have any fun at work? Whirlybird: Oh indeed! I get to kidnap farmers. Practice dentistry and pathology on cows we mutilate. You see I really want to be a doctor and help people... What you think us MIB types aren't human and don't have dreams and aspiration? Well we do! Anyway, back to the hillbillies we kidnap. We use Mind Control Rayâ¢, which is actually a TV that plays continues Billy Ray Cyrus videos, which then convinces the little country cracker that he has been abducted by green goobers. Too top of the illusion we spray him with Gin and leave him naked with a sheep. When the slake jawed sheriff arrives they haul ol' cracker farm boy to jail, because reeks of booze. The best part is we hover silently like the black cloud of death and film the whole thing and send the tape off to Fox. Lonegunmen: Fox??? Whirlybird: Yeah, they pay good money for that rubbish. I'm lined up to produce my own reality show from the reels of footage I've got. It will be titled: When Aliens Attack Drunk Hillbillies. Lonegunmen: You are a true artist, but, alas we have run out of time. So thanks you Whirlybird, for taking such a risk with his life, and kicking some knowledge in our direction. I will try and get one of those Undead Ninja Death Squad guys to come in and teach the loyal folks some patented killin' machine moves for when you're drunk on a Friday night and the spirit of Bruce Lee has left you.
Of course, the usa has the by far highest rate of gun deaths among the worlds richest nations, since this is probably the rich nation were gun availability is the broader. If some female with a gun is assaulted by a rapist, you have a dead rapist, and this one counts as a 'gun death'. If some female without a gun is raped and beaten to death, this does not count as a 'gun death'. So, the real question is : is it moral for a society to consider that it is better to have innocent people killed with whatever than it is to have criminals dying from gunshot and accounting for 'gun deaths'? I think no. The first right of any human being universally is the right to live, not the right to be a martyr on the altar of statism. OHLC
Maybe I'm biased, b/c the only people I see who are into guns (including a few of my own family members) are rednecks. They all sport this paranoid attitude that someone else (some crackhead) cares enough about stealing their possessions and raping their wife to justify having an arsenal under their bed. Maybe I'm biased because I simply don't want to get shot. I think there are many people like me, and we are the folks that are pro-gun control. I am not anti-gun; I think hunting and sport shooting is great. I have no problem with shotguns, .30 caliber hunting rifles, or anything like that. (BTW, you people talking about shooting intruders in your house with your sh!tty dept store bought $100 12 gauge or your generic .45 had better hope you don't send that bullet through the walls and into my house, because if you do, I'm either going to sue you for every penny, or if that doesn't work, kill you with my BARE HANDS and pry that shotgun from your COLD DEAD HANDS). PS - ever hear of glaser safety slugs?? Probably not. But I don't understand the juvenile obsession with large caliber handguns and assault rifles. And yes, I do believe that handguns should be illegal in the US for everyone except those who have a need for them (security guards, couriers, etc). It seems to me that the obsession with guns in adults is merely an outreach of that juvenile fascination we all had with them, myself included. I used to love going out into the woods and just shooting sh!t up when I was in my early teens. It was a blast. I went to ranges, too, but didn't like them as much b/c the officials make you shoot at the target the whole time...I wanted to split saplings in half, shoot signs, garbage, etc...Nowadays, I still like to shoot, but keep it limited to my RWS .22 pellet rifle, which suits my needs just fine, especially considering I live in a populated area. (Any other RWS fans here?? They make some really nice stuff). Anyway, whenever I hear someone talking about the need for large caliber handguns or semi-automatic rifles, it's always punctuated by some paranoia that a crackhead (no doubt a black muslim crackhead) is going to break into their house and terrorize their family. And no doubt that crackhead will have something bigger than a 9mm, and no doubt a 9mm will not be able to stop the crackhead - why don't you guys just tell it like it is?? Having big guns makes you feel cool, and tough. I'm not going to be one of those folks who suggests it has something to do with low self-esteem, or small manhood, but the odds of a crackhead who can't be stopped with a 9mm are probably smaller than being hit by lightning. I mean, I read alot about murders in the papers, all kinds of murders, but I can't remember reading anything about a crackhead who couldn't be dropped with a 9mm, one who broke into someone's house in the middle of the night, and the owners, having their family raped and tortured, felt powerless and wished that they had a 12ga street sweeper under the mattress to keep that crackhead away... Man, I am glad rednecks are not pot-smokers...the paranoia would be monumental. Gun sales would skyrocket...maybe the NRA should begin a new push for legalization of ghanja...
Yep, usefull in some situations. BTW, the shelf life of this stuff is limited. If you keep it for too long, it turns solid and penetrates as a regular ball. So, be aware of this if you live in a condo, or where houses have thin walls. OHLC
[1a,2a] Archangel + AAAin the beltway are for it . [3] It's a constituional right [power] [4] Groups like 4 million men and women of NRA, JPFO[Jews for the possession of firearms ownership] -------------------------------- Ps. Bumpersticker logic-''Warning,driver only carries $20.oo worth of ammo''
BTW, Bungrider, I think you are biased. For the self-defense aspect, you actually need more than a 9mm to stop a crackhead. Their pain sensors are asleep, impossible to make a one shot stop, you need something more powerful to reach the vitals. (countless reports of such situations are out there). For the political aspect, gun ownership is also meant as a safeguard against political entities. If they have M-16, the safeguard cant work with only muskets. I think you rely on your perceptions, not facts. You probably live in a safe place and in one of the safest and more stable countries, so, it seems logical that you perceive your fellow citizens as a more important threat that anything else. Reality is very different. Try to understand what it is about, before you act in such a way that other people will lose their right to defend themselves, and more simply, to be alive... Same thing for the political aspect, if someone enjoys living in a democratic country where his/her rights are enforced, he/she should understand why. It is only possible because the citizen ownership of firearms prevent political entities to turn dictatorial. OHLC
It's people like him also that make me believe that if guns can't be completely eliminated; and it seems rather late for that, then to get a permit, one should not only have a clean record, but an IQ test and a personality profile, and a sanity hearing should be mandatory. But it's all to much trouble. So we end up with essentially no controls. Yeah, I know, the second amendment. Our founding fathers were well aware of what was going to be available 200 years later. And they must have been just stupid to not foresee street gangs in East LA. So obvious! After all, it makes perfect sense that if someone wears an Oakland Raiders cap backwards, they are an enemy worthy of being shot down. How could old Tom and Ben have not seen that coming? Seems like a perfect progression to the society they envisioned. Reality is that there are just too many guns already on the streets and in possession. So the issue is really irresolvable. All that can be done is a progressive tightening of restrictions, and maybe someday guns will no longer be a part of our society. As far as the comments regarding "liberals" as anti-gun, yes, this is generally true. It is also generally true that "conservatives" are pro guns, "pro life" except for the death penalty, pro big tobacco, and against the separation of church and state. So using the constitution is no great argument on their behalf. The right wingers are just as guilty of trying to make the constitution fit their beliefs as any "liberal" or any fanatic of any kind. The post about the "f*ing muslims" is about as anti american as you can get. I thought we lived in a country founded on freedom of religion, speech, etc. And I always believed that tolerance was our greatest aspiration. Obviously, I was wrong. Sure, a 12 year old can be tall enough to reach the pedals of a car. So what? Why do the insurance companies keep rates high for males under 26? Do they know something we don't? Common sense is just common sense. Why not let 6 year olds vote? They can read a ballet. And pull a lever. Physical ability is not an issue. A 6 year old can certainly pull a trigger. Let them have machine guns ?!? So this guy that wants a bazooka, well, what can I say? I have owned guns, and I am against gun ownership. Why did I own guns then? Because when I lived in Colorado, it was just too easy to get a gun. At that time you could go into a drugstore and buy a 44 Magnum and a bottle of aspirin with equal ease. Everyone had a gun, and having grown up in NY where no one had one, I thought it would be cool. Then when I had a child, I realized that having guns in the house was a recipe for disaster. I kept 'em anyway, but the reality was they were too difficult to get, load, and use for self defense to be effective. I know there are people that will sleep with a loaded gun under their pillow. I would rather take my chances and be safe from my own gun. I had a really nice S&W 9mm and traded it for an old Fender Champ tube amplifier. I got, and still get, a lot more use and pleasure from that amp. Now I still have a Llama 9mm, but the clip is one place, the gun another, and the ammo in another still. Why I keep it is a mystery even to me. What is scary is that if I wanted to, I could sell or give the gun to ANYONE. So even with required permits and registration, it is just too easy to put a gun in the hands of the wrong person. I wish there were a solution for this "loophole". But so far, there is no way to close it. Too many guns are around. As for me, I will either dismantle the gun, and throw it away, or let it rust, as it has been for years. The arguments about "guns don't kill people, etc." is a joke. Sure you can kill someone without a gun. But not as easily. And to "prove" that point, the fact is that in most states, if you shoot someone and they die, you will face a less stiff sentence than if you stab someone. Why? Because it is just TOO EASY to pull a trigger. Stabbing someone takes a lot more effort and a lot more "brutality". So even the law considers pulling a trigger just too easy. An act of killing that requires virtually no effort. The example about the guy flipping out in the store is so apropos. And so scary. Or put together the concepts of road rage with unrestricted gun ownership, and more disaster. But god forgive us for considering taking away an "inalienable right". Too bad the NRA has so much money and so much lobbying power. And so little reason to exist. There is a reason they call gun-nuts "nuts". I wonder how the guy who wants the right to own a bazooka would feel if a member of his family were shot by accident in his home with his gun. Or by someone who picked up a cheap "saturday night special" and pulled the trigger during a mugging of his mother. Guns are cheap and life shouldn't be. Guns are easy to come by, and life can be difficult to achieve. Fertility specialists are highly paid and highly sought after. People go to incredible lengths to have children in many instances. How can our society let an instrument designed to end lives be cheap and easy to obtain? How can the pro gun people object to built in safeguards in the manufacture of new guns? Where is the sense? What makes having a weapon so desirable? Is there really something to the belief that the guys that have to have big guns have small penises? Wouldn't be surprised. There has to be some kind of personality or mental defect in someone who considers a 9mm to be a "tiny gun". Peace, rs7
9 milli just doesnt have the power to stop a crackhead...as has been said in a previous post....no studies,,,a fact by a cop (off duty at the time) i know in Miami who was getting money out of the ATM when he was assaulted by someone who was lit up like a roman candle....7 pellets later and he was coming at him as though he hadnt even been shot.......so yes a 9 milli can be considered a tiny gun....... And there will never be control of guns for thugs......most the guns purchased by thugs are not legal....this is the reason I own one.....last thing I would ever want is to have someone break into my house and not be prepared.....its a tough world out there...if gun control would keep the guns out of the hands of the wrong people then go for it...but it will never happen.....