4,000/1 Odds

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by BlueHorseshoe, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Guys, guys.... back up a little bit, slide the chair away from the screen and look.... this info about how we are not going to make it as daytraders has made it's way to a site built by guys that made $200 million from daytrading... I ain't a gonna worry 'bout no asademic shit no mo', no way....
     
    #21     Nov 20, 2008
  2. Of the 2 million people, I bet 1.9 were people trading at work or after work as a hobby.

    So that leaves you 100,000 traders. And that gives you a 1 in 200 chance.

    And a 15 year timeframe is long enough to weed out all but the most serious traders. It wouldn't surprise me if all 500 traders were multimillionaires.

    One thing you have to realize is that Steve Cohen is a day trader and so is Jim Simons, PTJ, etc. Just about every hedge fund is a daytrader.
     
    #22     Nov 20, 2008
  3. Yeah, but none of those 25 could pay the rent with their 'winnings' either ...
     
    #23     Nov 20, 2008
  4. Expectations...

    Why do most fail? Probably because they have not done their research and do not posses the right behavioral traits (and do not understand they can be fine tuned and learned).

    Also, how many of these failed traders want to make millions? I would say most fail because their expectations were too high.

    Then, out of how many successful traders, what was the starting expectation? "give it a try" "play it like a game" and make just a FEW buck$? Then probably that is why they succeed...

    My buddy has just started trading. Is now up 750% and how did that happen? He used money he could live without, and "played" the futures like a "game" with very low starting expectations. That's how you create success...but the real traders need to find a way to keep the $ucce$$ and not blow it :p

    Luck is also helpful...
    "Fooled by Randomness" by Nassim Taleb can explain that...
     
    #24     Nov 23, 2008
  5. Fooled by randomness?
    What is it? A book?

    Interesting title, please elaborate.
     
    #25     Nov 24, 2008

  6. Are most of the trades of the mentioned people daytrades ?
     
    #26     Nov 24, 2008
  7. ITR2744

    ITR2744

    Indeed a very interesting view is presented by Mr. Taleb in this book...

    http://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Random...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227546414&sr=8-1

    I am currently reading it. It claims that sometimes luck is confused with skill etc.. For example, all the (in the beginning...) successfull daytraders in the dotcom bubble weren't skillfull but had big luck... Right time, right place...
     
    #27     Nov 24, 2008
  8. lescor

    lescor

    You're dead wrong on that one.
     
    #28     Nov 24, 2008
  9. Joab

    Joab


    That's about how many people here in ET that are not profitable, so I guess it all works out for me.:p
     
    #29     Nov 24, 2008
  10. Well there are around 15,000 day traders in the US. Meaning only 3.75 of them are profitable. Gee I must know all of them then. :cool:
     
    #30     Nov 24, 2008