3 to 1 Ratio

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by DraXon, Nov 22, 2002.

  1. DraXon


    Can someone test this out for me on ES or NQ?

    If yesterday's close is greater than yesterday's open then go long on today's opening.

    If yesterday's close is less than yesterday's open then go short on today's opening.

    (9:00 AM - 4:00 PM EST)

    Set stop at 3 points.

    Set target at 9 points.

  2. leafs1


    How are you calculating the open and the close - ie. what times are used to come up with the open and close
  3. Stops are too tight for this method and you would get too many losses, targets are OK. That's from my experience. I use targets of 9 pts in some of my systems, stops of 6 pts (in ES).
  4. DraXon


    It's really the risk to reward ratio that I'm mainly interested in. I just thought that the method mentioned above might be a slight improvement to a random entry. I don't know for sure though. Can someone with the resources test out the random entries as well?
  5. acrary


    I'll do both tests for you, but it'll have to wait until the market closes (45 min.)

  6. If it's the risk/reward ratio you're mainly interested in, then
    you're fine. Most short term traders that I know strive for a
    3-1 ratio. Remember, if you can average a 3-1 ratio, you only need to be right 4 out of every 12 trades and you will break-

    Also, if you want to test these ideas out for yourself, I've
    heard www.wealth-lab.com is a useful site.

    Hope this helps...
  7. If you are stopped out too often, what kind of rewards are you talking about? The ratio is one thing, the frequency is another, but you cannot treat them completely separately. Your ratio is great, but if the frequency of your winners is too low compared to your losers, you will lose in the long run. These things cannot be treated separately, they occur on an equal footing in the formula for the system expectancy which you should know if you think seriously about designing a sound mechanical trading system. You should backtest your systems for various values of R. R=1.5 my not be that bad if it results in a good ratio of winners to losers so that the system is profitable.
  8. Agree wally.

    Everyone seems to make a really bad assumption
    in regards to frequency.

    What if I took trades with a 100:1 risk ratio? :D
    That must be better than 3:1 right??

    I would get stopped out all the time, because
    the frequency of the "100" occuring would be
    close enough to 0 that you would never make
    a profit.



  9. then take it one step further, how many of the trades you get stopped out at 1 would you have gotten stopped out at 3 or 6 or whatever?
    #10     Nov 22, 2002