3 Black Swans

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Cutten, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. Cutten

    Cutten

    Your plan doesn't seem to make sense - if you think we blow right through, you shouldn't be scaling out at 1270 or even 1250.

    Personally I expect a decent bounce on the first test of 1250. Either off 1250, or a dip 20-30 points below and then bounce. I'm happy to leave the last 1-30 points of a 200 point move to someone else.

    Now if the VIX stays at 22-23 when we hit 1250, I'm gonna use discretion and stay partially short until fear gets higher. But if we are VIX >25 then I am going to cover my shorts and if we get VIX 28-30 I am going to start buying calls and possibly get long some too. IMO 1250-60 is a cover, anything below is a buy, and the rally will at least retrace to 1300.

    Longer-term I agree we are heading lower. I'm gonna be keeping some Dec puts as a "short & hold" position for that purpose.
     
    #21     Jun 27, 2008
  2. NY_HOOD

    NY_HOOD

    whats funny is everyone laughs at all this "doomsday talk". guess what? its actually coming to fruition.if this ai'nt doomsday,i'd hate to see what it really is...
     
    #22     Jun 27, 2008
  3. Actually it makes a ton of sense.....locking in profits is guaranteed by starting my scale out in the 1270's. If I am wrong and we do bounce off 1250's then I will have a smaller position to quick cover on a fast moving short covering rally back to plus 1300 levels. The position has already made very good profits, so I need to be properly prepared for any major support level touch reactions. I am not greedy going for a huge kill shot, if the market sells below 1250's I have plenty of inventory to take advantage of it in a measured way.
     
    #23     Jun 27, 2008
  4. These three are going to happen.

    Furthermore, there will be several other major happenings along the Black Swan lines.

    From about JUN 06, as many debt factors decelerated into illiquidity and reporting requirements were not fulfilled, there began a domino effect. It is now far ranging and many many items are approaching critical points of measurement where there are tipping points.

    My compliments to you for contributing another thread on these important business planning topics and trading plan adjustment flags. This is going to be a very important year for taking care of being sure to have a neutral bias (which affords one the chance to captialize on every oppotunity).

    I feel that since 2008 is not going to have a "traditional summer and the financial industry will be dissolving a lot of corporate sub divisions, there is gong to by a very large wake up call across the spectrum.

    Things will never be the same again and as the third Q begins, we will be seeing a lot of desperation with the recognition that 2008 will have no chance for posting a good year even with 2 Q's remaining.

    Traders usually do not have anything but a short term trading strategy; as these strategies fold and they have no comprehensive views (actually as they sit and read posts today) it is going to be a very tough sequence seeing the "units" traders leave then the "tens' traders leave and finally the hedgies facing the shut down music later in this year.

    No one, at this point can be "running six months late" as we see in most ET threads.

    I posted a chart (graphic) at the beginning of the year that depicts this. There is one flat leg and at its end the fit hits the shan as they say.
     
    #24     Jun 27, 2008
  5. A plausible black swan is the total collapse of paper currencies as a medium of exchange for global commodities. The Dollar gets all the focus but in truth we're no worse than anyone else in terms of debt to GDP and future non-discretionary commitments.

    Even with the dollar flat commodities are on fire. I laugh when I hear folks say"we're leaving our grankids in a fix." WTF! We left ourselves in a fix! For all we know the markets may wake up and stop extending credit to government securities a week from now.

    We may soon see the day when food becomes unaffordable at anything resembling the pay from our current units of labor.

    Intuitively I still see assets as WAY overpriced compared to necessities. Food riots. You can't think Black Swan enough.....
     
    #25     Jun 27, 2008
  6. My scale out zone is 1275.00 down to 1255.00 ....at 1255.00 I will have 1/2 of my position left for any breakdown of the 1250's. ES 1270 magnet has sucked us down to a key support zone so we will see what takes place in the next few trade days. :)
     
    #26     Jun 27, 2008
  7. Exactly.

    The dilemma of food riots will be an everyday event in the next 12 months in SE Asia...energy costs are going to create tremendous pressure in those countries ,including China, as the economy wittles under the pressure of lower exports to US and Europe and their own inherited inflation.

    A major problem being that they are now used having 2 meals a day and are not going to want to reverse their standard of living.

    As for Europe, I feel that the Euro will come under severe pressure .Some of the weaker (Italy, Spain) member countries renege on their loans as they are socially bankrupt and the crater will get bigger and the current baby boomers "retire".

    We are in for one hell of a ride over the next couple of years.
     
    #27     Jun 27, 2008
  8. Vienna

    Vienna

    Man I do love to read your posts...yes the tipping points, once they occur things happen very quickly as with Bear Stearns... the surprise comes from the fact that we do not expect big things to collapse suddenly but to decline gradually ....do you still have that chart somewhere or a link?
     
    #28     Jun 27, 2008
  9. zdreg

    zdreg

    "this is the definition of black swan event:"a black swan is a large-impact, hard-to-predict, and rare event beyond the realm of normal expectations.

    the wife says u don't like the soup hot. u want it cold.? logic 101 is a course offered at every college.
    read carefully the definition of black swan.
     
    #29     Jun 27, 2008
  10. zdreg is right.

    the notion of a probable or likely black swan is inconsistent.
     
    #30     Jun 28, 2008