$25,000 minimum for daytrading needs to be changed

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Nostradamus357, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. mark_mm

    mark_mm

    Wikipedia page has this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader

    If you buy the same stock, at 3 different times in the same day, and close all of that same stock in one trade, that will be considered 3 day trades. The next day trade in the next 4 business days will freeze your account (you can only close existing positions) for 90 days, or until you get $25,000 cash into your account, whichever comes first. This also applies to options.
     
    #101     Feb 16, 2011
  2. BSAM

    BSAM

    Literally, what you have written is correct. But, (and this is the big butt that you don't want to hear) it doesn't have to be the same stock.
     
    #102     Feb 16, 2011
  3. The market makers are still manipulating stocks. Now it's done by algorithms and HFT machines. There is no need for humans and specialist system in the NYSE. Hence the NYSE is sold.


     
    #103     Feb 16, 2011
  4. CQNC

    CQNC

    Who are the five players?

    DirectEDGE
    Goldman
    Knight (but is directly/indirectly owned/owns DirectEDGE with GS)
     
    #104     Feb 16, 2011
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    In my opinion both traders and the market would benefit from elimination of this rule, but elimination might not be beneficial to brokers. I'm not sure. Frankly. I don't understand the rationale behind the rule. I does not make sense to me.
     
    #105     Feb 16, 2011
  6. mark_mm

    mark_mm

    Does this law only apply in USA? I am from UK so if I choose a UK broker that allows me to trade US equities, will I still have to follow this silly rule? If so I guess I can trade CFD's?
     
    #106     Feb 17, 2011
  7. Well, this is confusing...

    http://www.finra.org/Investors/SmartInvesting/AdvancedInvesting/DayTrading/P005906

    "Day trading in a cash account is generally prohibited. Day trades can occur in a cash account only to the extent the trades do not violate the free-riding prohibition of Federal Reserve Board's Regulation T. In general, failing to pay for a security before you sell the security in a cash account violates the free-riding prohibition. If you free-ride, your broker is required to place a 90-day freeze on the account."

    :confused:
     
    #107     Feb 17, 2011
  8. CQNC

    CQNC

    BFD. Trading on cash you'll get killed against th HFTs.
     
    #108     Feb 17, 2011
  9. CQNC

    CQNC

    GO PROP. DUH.
     
    #109     Feb 17, 2011
  10. agreed. Unless your swing trading, Your going to have a hard time making any money day trading 25k, unless your trading penny stocks..
     
    #110     Feb 18, 2011