231 Butterflies

Discussion in 'Options' started by Corto, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. destriero

    destriero


    It's dynamic. The curve. I can dumb it down but it would require me to spend an hour on it. I am too busy/lazy to do it.
     
    #51     Feb 26, 2019
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    You deserve my thanks for asking all the right questions I was unable to ask.

    Originally I was interested in 121 equal distance because I wanted to try delta neutral straddle/strangle but did not like the unlimited risk of writing those. Flies gave me tail protection.

    The 132 is unequal distances. For example: 1490/1505/1535 calls, the wings are 15 & 30, upside loss is high (the 2 of 132 is higher strike 1535). I am way behind you in understanding and still don't know why it is preferred by the professional.

    There are so many moving parts I think I have to write a VBA Excel to get further into the details. Trying to do it analytically is beyond my limited math capability.
     
    #52     Feb 26, 2019
  3. destriero

    destriero


    Well, you've got the structure wrong. A 132 call fly would be a 1490/1505/1512.5 (permitting), classically. There is no rule that you can't go symmetrical on strikes. The rationale for the 2/1 strike width is that the debit req = risk beyond both wings, that's it. The debit is the max risk in the fly.
     
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    #53     Feb 26, 2019
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    Ah my bad. I quoted your 1490/1505/1535P instead of C. Yes, thank you for correcting me. Now it makes sense.

    Will run through some structures and see the effects and set ups.
     
    #54     Feb 26, 2019
  5. destriero

    destriero

    There are no limitations, only w.r.t. symmetry on PNL outside the wings. Stick to 132s at 2/1 strike width if that matters to you, but I often trade symmetrical (and beyond (again asym, approaching 1/2 widths) on strikes to achieve a credit on the fly.
     
    #55     Feb 26, 2019
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  6. Corto

    Corto

    Imagine then how much it would take me to figure out ...
     
    #56     Feb 26, 2019
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks.
     
    #57     Feb 26, 2019
  8. Corto

    Corto

    Well, this made me realize I was chasing the wrong profit diagram. I thought it needs to be something like this: Profit diagram.jpg



    While it has to be like this:
    RUT fly.jpg
     
    #58     Feb 27, 2019
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  9. Corto

    Corto

    But this is such a narrow profit range. How can I guess where the stock will end up?
    And also how can I set the fly such as it's delta neutral where I want it? The non active fly in the simulation is quite on the other side, but delta is pretty much the same as for the active one: -2.75 vs -2.39.
     
    #59     Feb 27, 2019
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    You are not alone, I made the same mistake. :banghead:
     
    #60     Feb 27, 2019