22 things you need to know about trading from Vic Niederhoffer

Discussion in 'Trading' started by marketsurfer, May 2, 2013.

  1. southall

    southall



    I was wondering to myself before i read his list, "i bet he doesnt talk about risk management".

    And he didn't surprise me.

    Niederhoffer was very poor when it came to risk management, just like the LTCM guys.

    Why the hell would anyone want to take trading advice from someone who has blown up multiple times late in their trading careers (nearly everyone blows up early) except maybe to figure out what not to do.

    If you want to learn about great traders and trading principles, study guys like tudor jones, soros, seykota, trout etc.

    eg

    VN: "Never try to make money the same way twice in a row."

    Compare that to:

    PTJ: "Dont think about making money, think about protecting what you got".


    Traders like PTJ are masters of risk management.
    VN is a master of blowing up.
     
    #101     May 3, 2013
  2. It makes sense now why MktSurf is the way he is. He's been misguided :)

     
    #102     May 3, 2013
  3. This is achieving surreal-status. I stated that you edited YOUR post about proof after I had posted a response. No, I never suggested that you edited mine.

    If you want to wager then please email me the Barclay's data expressing any Manchester/Matador AUM exceeding $500MM and I will happily post here that you won the bet. I'll not reveal any source info.
     
    #103     May 3, 2013

  4. The guy accumulated 500M at his peak---- was ranked #1 hedge manager for years and you question his wisdom?


    LOL. Trout is a direct Niederhoffer student and we all know Soros/Niederhoffer connection. That's 50% of your list! I betcha if you kept the list going you would name other VN students---- You guys crack me up --- VN has done what you dream about multiple times.
     
    #104     May 3, 2013
  5. southall

    southall

    Trout traded his own models when working as a floor trader for niederhoffers firm, VN could of learnt how to manage risk by watching Trout trade, but i doubt he bothered.

    Soros always knew VN was going to blow up one day, this is what he wrote 2 years before VN first blew up in 1997.

    “Victor Niederhoffer looked at markets as a casino where people act as gamblers and where their behavior can be understood by studying gamblers. He regularly made small amounts of money trading on that theory. There was a flaw in his approach, however. If there is a…tide…he can be seriously hurt because he doesn’t have a proper fail-safe mechanism.”
    George Soros 1995.
     
    #105     May 3, 2013
  6. Victor Niederhoffer and George Soros are just two dumb rednecks with fortune.
     
    #106     May 3, 2013
  7. luisHK

    luisHK

    Ashkenazi rednecks ?!? I never thought of that one
     
    #107     May 3, 2013
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I heard Karen is also writing a book called:

    Option writing for Dummies: It is so easy, even a grandma can do it!

    Foreword by Vic
     
    #108     May 3, 2013
  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I had heard by an ex-colleague who was acquaintances with vic that while he did blowup, his investors were given huge "dividends " each year. So in the end they had a modest return.

    I have read he peaked at 150mm aum.

    Though if he was giving money back then he could have had a theoretical 500 mm aum.

    He wrote a book. I started to read it but it sucked.
     
    #109     May 3, 2013
  10. Guys, please. Let us not mention VN and that idiot Sykes in the same thread let alone in the same sentence.

    I actually like VN. He is very bright, and I think he'd be an interesting guy to talk market crap with and bounce a few ideas off. Would I ever give him any money to manage or recommend that others do the same? Absolutely not!

    I like surf too, but I don't know why he supports that parasite TS?
     
    #110     May 3, 2013