2022 looks like 2008

Discussion in 'Trading' started by IronFist, Jan 23, 2022.

  1. RedSun

    RedSun

    Even if there is a total 1% increase in interest rate, there is little impact on economy overall.

    In general, businesses are not borrowing since there is no hot expansion. Economy is not over-heating.

    Consumers are not heavily in debt, other than the hot housing market. As long as housing market does not crash like in 2008, consumer finance looks to be fine.

    Most of the impact is on the financial market. Re-pricing and re-positioning. Crypto will be hurt the most. Then some of those hot financial instruments. Large techs, Meme and SPACs. Some good stocks can be baby in bath water. But that should not last very long. If some companies like energy companies still make good cash flow, their stock prices should still be strong.

    I think this re-pricing will last for the entire 2022. Fed will make sure this does not cause recession.
     
    #11     Jan 23, 2022
  2. a 1% increase in interest rates has a huge impact on future earnings multiples.
     
    #12     Jan 23, 2022
  3. RedSun

    RedSun

    Wrong. A 1% increase now won't change the real interest rate for the next 10 years or next 30 years.

    This is exactly what market gets it wrong. A 4x 0.25% Fed rate increase this year only change the short-term Fed rates. It is the market expectation what happens with the long term rate. The 10-year rate is still only at 1.8%. It is still low historically.
     
    #13     Jan 23, 2022
  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    You're totally lost in complete bs.
     
    #14     Jan 23, 2022
  5. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    No it doesn't. What happened in 2016-2019 ?
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2022
    #15     Jan 23, 2022
  6. ET180

    ET180

    I listed facts. You failed to dispute a single one.
     
    #16     Jan 23, 2022
  7. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Memories of 2009-2011 on here. There is no reasoning with some of you people you are delusional.
     
    #17     Jan 23, 2022
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Chart looks the same.
     
    #18     Jan 23, 2022
  9. lwlee

    lwlee

    2008? There was fear at that point. Right now, zero panic. So we could have much lower to go. Markets tend to test the complacent. Cryptos have already dumped a ton. Now imagine if the stock markets has fear. BTC will go back to under $10k.
     
    #19     Jan 24, 2022
  10. Looking at crypto right now... there she goes again!
     
    #20     Jan 24, 2022