2012: The Battle for Survival

Discussion in 'Journals' started by neke, Jan 17, 2012.

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  1. 1.Have your broker set an automatic daily stop loss on account. I recommend 2% and a use your discretionary stop at 1%. Your mileage may vary. The ego might be saying saying "Oh I don't need that, I'm better than that" . Admit at some point anyone could go on TILT and we are human.

    2. Only keep enough funds in account to cover margins so you can't size yourself up 3 X your liquid net worth if you go on tilt.

    Get the needle out of your arm for a while and go enjoy your family , friends, nature, and the FREE things in life that don't involve the man made "stuff" like money/materials, give thanks for what you DO have. This can apply to everyone after a shitty event like that.

    Life is full of lessons.
     
    #591     Nov 30, 2012
  2. PaulVl

    PaulVl

    +1
     
    #592     Nov 30, 2012
  3. Businessman

    Businessman


    This is all good but does any broker actually offer this?
     
    #593     Nov 30, 2012
  4. Most Brokers offer NO tools to save the trader.. that would take the emotion out of trading and level the playing field too much.
     
    #594     Nov 30, 2012
  5. Pretty much every broker out their has a dialy "failsafe limit" for their own risk measures. Mine was like 80% of account value and you may have to do some good negotiating to get them to set it at 2% for you. Just straight up say, "Do you want my business or not" If they say no, then go elsewhere.

    I don't know which stock brokers offer this, I trade futures. I agree MOST probably don't offer it.
     
    #595     Nov 30, 2012
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    That is actually a TERRIBLE advice. First, you clearly still encourage him to trade, when 3 consecutive years (let's repeat, that is 36 months!!!) has proven that he clearly doesn't have an edge anymore. He should stop trading right now.

    Second, it doesn't even work. He could just loose 2-2-2% per week. Even if he just loses 2% once a week, that still can be -8% a month, and eventually he will get down to zero...

    No trick by his broker will substitute any profitable strategy!!!!

    And by the way Neke miscalculated his annual return/loss, he is down -40%, not -30 as he stated in the weekly statement. He lost 61K on 153K (after withdrawals). If I average his account with the continuous withdrawals, that is still -35%. So his last 3 years are:

    2010: -11% (max. DD -48%)
    2011: -36% (max. DD -48%)
    2012: -35%

    And this guy will be saved by the broker's automatic stop loss???
     
    #596     Nov 30, 2012
  7. kxvid

    kxvid

    I'm guessing neke's problems are caused by having a short bias in a rising market. If he had a long bias these last few years, he would be profitable.
     
    #597     Dec 2, 2012
  8. Ok, I've been reading this for a long time.

    I will change my idea about Neke today. He has no place in trading. He needs to close his account and move on with his live.

    But I have much respect for Neke's honesty. Not many people have the balls to post their errors like Neke does. I wish him the best, I hope this thread is a lesson for many.
     
    #598     Dec 3, 2012
  9. He doesn't have zero edge, his edge is negative. This guy is in a death spiral. He'll be down to 5K account within 6 months. Then his wife will find out and leave with the kids. Then he'll put the last of the 5K on a single trade and blow himself up.
     
    #599     Dec 3, 2012
  10. zdreg

    zdreg

    literally or metaphorically?
     
    #600     Dec 3, 2012
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