2012: The Battle for Survival

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  1. Businessman

    Businessman

    From Trading in the Zone:

    Addiction to Random Rewards

    Several studies have been done on the psychological effects of random rewards on monkeys.
    For example, if you teach a monkey to do a task and consistently reward it every time the task is done,
    the monkey quickly learns to associate a specific outcome with the efforts.
    If you stop rewarding it for doing the task, within a very short period of time the monkey will simply stop doing the task.
    It won't waste its energy doing something that it has now learned it won't be rewarded for.
    However, the monkey's response to being cut off from the reward is very different if you start out on a purely random schedule, instead of a consistent one.
    When you stop offering the reward, there's no way the monkey can know that it will never be rewarded again for doing that task.
    Every time it was rewarded in the past, the reward came as a surprise.
    As a result, from the monkey's perspective, there's no reason to quit doing the task.
    The monkey keeps on doing the task, even without being rewarded for doing it.
    Some will continue indefinitely.
     
    #271     May 20, 2012
  2. neke, how the heck did you make a 880% return in '05? My apologies if you've already answered that.

    I loved Datek by the way, it was fast, simple, it rocked. You could short just about anything i think, they probably just didn't give a crap about finding stock to borrow. :p
     
    #272     May 20, 2012
  3. Neke, I know this from experience you are completely too opinionated.

    We all have to be opinionated to do this job, you need conviction when your right and humility when you are wrong.

    When you lose now, you are too opinionated. Let the trades come to you

    I've been making a living 100% discretionary year after year. It can be done. You do not need to stop. Trading takes experience, and you got a lot now

    I think you are smart enough to prevail. If you string together 12-16 weeks of some of your better weeks, and can stay strong for an extended period of time, not just a month or two. You could be making 400k-500k annually. It doesn't matter what you have in your account. I think you know this deep down, that you should be able to make 1-2% avg daily.

    Do not listen to the haters, they need you to fail, to help them validate thier pathetic lives. Like thier rules really work for everyone...
     
    #273     May 20, 2012
  4. surely the string of gains year after year after year cannot be luck (i suppose there is a small chance of that). he must have been doing something right and repeatable.
     
    #274     May 20, 2012
  5. Businessman

    Businessman

    The markets have changed since the dust settled after the banking crisis.

    2010 onwards has been a hard time to trade intra day patterns.

    A lot of the old technical patterns dont work as well, price action seems to be more choppy.

    If neke made a killing in 2008 and 2009, think about the traders he took the money from? They must of lost big time, they took a good beating and have quit the game.. will take time for them to be replaced by a new generation of dumb money and then the easy markets will return.
     
    #275     May 21, 2012
  6. 1-2%/day:D :D :D :D :D

    Not on planet earth, it's nearly impossible to do that a week on a consistent basis.

    2%/month with size would put you up there with the world's top Hedge Fund managers.
     
    #276     May 21, 2012
  7. Good reminder. Thanks for posting this.
     
    #277     May 21, 2012
  8. neke

    neke

    80% draw-down? Blow-up? I believe if I pulled out all my remaining 147K from the market today, you would say I have a 100% blow-up. That is how intelligent you are.

    For the sake of anybody that cares about the facts, here they are, starting from my first journal of 2/25/2007.


    Code:
    Result since start of first thread
    
    2/25/2007	Starting Bal			  76000
    		P/L to date			 526402   (Up 692%)
    		Cash Withdrawal		        (455000)	
    						------
    		Curr Balance			 147402
    
    
    Draw-down (from peak cumulative P/L)
    
    10/23/2009	Starting Bal			 635000
    		P/L to date			(303598)   (Down 47.8%)
    		Cash Withdrawal			(184000)
    						--------
    		Curr Balance			 147402
    
    
    Upmove (from low cumulative P/L)
    
    3/9/2007 	Starting Balance		  64094
    		P/L to date			 531308	(Up 829%)
    		Cash Withdrawal 		(448000)	
    						------
    		Curr Balance			 147402
    
    The blow-up was "expected by more than myself for over three years ago". Well, rewind three years ago to the week-end of 5/15/2009, and here is the performance which you can pull from the threads.

    Code:
    5/15/2009	Starting Balance		 270217
    		P/L to date			  61185	 (Up 22.6%)
    		Cash Withdrawal			(184000)	
    						--------
    		Curr Balance			 147402
    
    Now you have your blow-up, you prophet of doom, can we move on?
     
    #278     May 21, 2012
  9. I never knew about the withdrawals.
     
    #279     May 21, 2012
  10. nkhoi

    nkhoi

    like I said before 'you have a reading comprehension problem'.
     
    #280     May 21, 2012
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