2001-2010 warmest decade on record: WMO

Discussion in 'Politics' started by futurecurrents, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. jem

    jem

    Of course there is zero evidence that man causes global warming.
    Because the only evidence we have is the warming precedes CO2 accumulation and cooling precedes CO2 dissipation.

    Our real focus should be on pollution.
    Our real focus should be talking about taking reasonable precautions about the unknown.

    Rather trying to scare thinking people into allowing govt to steal more money and rights.
     
    #51     Mar 27, 2012
  2. You keep repeating the same thing which while having some truth to it is apparently causing you to ignore the fact that CO2 will cause temperatures to rise as it is a greenhouse gas by itself, without extra sun or anything else. This is a demonstrable physical property of CO2. During the PT boundary extinction event CO2 release was the driver of temp increase.

    "Global temperature rose five degrees Celsius 56 million years ago in response to a massive injection of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
    That intense gas release was only 10 percent of the rate at which heat-trapping greenhouse gases are building up in the atmosphere today.
    The speed of today’s rise is more troubling than the absolute magnitude, because adjusting to rapid climate change is very difficult."

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-last-great-global-warming
     
    #52     Mar 27, 2012
  3. Good summary of the situation.

    A major impediment to controlling the problem is a lack of understanding and acceptance of the science by the public. When half the country don't even think it is real it's not surprising there is no support for significant policy changes.
     
    #53     Mar 27, 2012
  4. Just wondering if you looked at the other charts in the link I posted. It gives a better overview of the trend.....a longer term look. 35 years is not a long time frame in climatology. As a trader we must keep the over-all trend in mind, as you know. Here's the link again
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
     
    #54     Mar 27, 2012
  5. jem

    jem

    I saw no evidence of causation or even an explanation.
    I am interested in learning more about this. Do you have link to the whole article.
     
    #55     Mar 28, 2012
  6. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    That pesky stupid public again, they just don't understand like the lofty scientists working on the recycling conveyer belt. Maybe if you show enough graphs and charts and yammer on and on and on they might become convinced.

    Glass goes in the left bin, plastic in the right, paper in the bin marked "P". :)
     
    #56     Mar 28, 2012
  7. jem

    jem

    #57     Mar 28, 2012
  8. jem

    jem

    Based on the analysis of entrapped air from ice cores extracted from permanent glaciers from various regions around the globe, it has been demonstrated that global warming began 18,000 years ago, accompanied by a steady rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide. Humans are quite likely the cause of a large portion of the 80 ppm rise in CO2 since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, and from a distance, it looks possible that increasing CO2 may cause atmospheric temperatures rise. However, on closer examination it is seen that CO2 lags an average of about 800 years behind the temperature changes-- confirming that CO2 is not the primary driver of the temperature changes.

    The real signature of greenhouse warming is not surface temperature but temperature in the middle of the troposphere, about 5 kilometers up. If global warming is occurring from an increasing greenhouse effect due to CO2 additions by humans the temperature of the middle troposphere should be warming faster than Earth's surface (1,2). However, the opposite has been happening-- which suggests either the surface temperature records are in error or natural factors, such as changes in solar activity, may be responsible for the slight rise in surface temperatures (approximately 0.6° C, globally) that appears to have occurred over the past century.

    Interestingly, from 1999 to the present the temperature of the mid troposphere has actually decreased slightly and surface temperatures have ceased warming -- even as CO2 concentrations have continued to increase (3). This should not be happening if CO2 increases to the atmosphere are the primary driver of global warming.

    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/temp_vs_CO2.html
     
    #58     Mar 28, 2012
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    #59     Mar 28, 2012
  10. #60     Mar 28, 2012