yes, 200%/year that is a return expected from an average trader with <200K account according to Acrary. I can't find his post, but he indeed stated the above. Acrary is a well respected trader and I believe he believed what he said a few years back. he does not post here any more maybe he has changed his mind. After hearing many complaining about sub-par 2009 performance, I wonder if the above is still true. By an average trader I mean somebody who has been trading for a living for several years. Let's assume they have 200K account at a broker like IB, not at a prop firm. I have nothing against prop firms I just want to compare apple and apples. If you post the average profits at prop firms please state so clearly.