$2,000 to $200,000 in 2020 at 2.00% per day.

Discussion in 'Journals' started by sstheo, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. sstheo

    sstheo

    The idea of scaling up is far from dead. And I am eager to resume. If the volatility doesn't slow down, then I may just assume this is the new normal and increase the contract size anyway. But I still argue that as long as I am above the 2% line, then this experiment is working out just fine. The scaling is the means to the end, which is $200k via a gradual yet very aggressive 2% average DAILY growth rate. (The average hedge fund can't do 2% in a month.)
     
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    #421     Mar 7, 2020
  2. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    So on one side you are saying the enhanced volatility doesn't affect your 2% target (which is unsustainable due to the law of large numbers, if nothing else), and an argument can therefore be made that it (enhanced vola) is not offering you increased profits either. On the other side you are saying the enhanced volatility prevents you from stretching.

    No one said you should jump from 1 micro to 8 micros. By your own rules, your balance comfortably supports more than 1 micro. 2 is more than 1 and is how it should start! And that was true BEFORE the enhanced volatility too. You are merely using the volatility as shade for not benefiting financially, psychologically, or growing as a trader.
     
    #422     Mar 7, 2020
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  3. sstheo

    sstheo

    I think I see what you are saying. I do see that the increase in volatility has a potentially huge positive upside. And with my 80% win rate and well-placed stops then, in a way, I am missing out by not taking advantage of this increase in volatility. It could be argued that if the volatility is 10x greater than before that I should be making 5x to 10x as much each day - as long as I continue to follow my rules.
     
    #423     Mar 7, 2020
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  4. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    Now re-read my previous post about TICK VALUE per open position.

    At this point in time, will your discipline break at $1 PER TICK?

    Note: we are not talking about volatility.
     
    #424     Mar 7, 2020
  5. Seaweed

    Seaweed

    I feel this exact same way. But at the same time, I think we have to consider this last chart that you posted. I don't want to impart my way of trading onto you, but its obvious that the shorts went against you heavily. And on top of this, the shorts also all broke the previous swing high, which can be deadly.

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    That last short at C is good mind you, and you probably entered after it poked the previous high and was coming down, and its just that it went higher, but the shorts at A and B are more troubling.

    It worked out for you this time, but if the stats for many of your trades are like this, when your profit isn't as large as your risk, then its only a matter of time until you have some big losses.

    You seem to have an 80% or better win rate, but if the win rate comes from large drawdowns like this, it might be trouble, and then I understand why you aren't willing to take on the additional risk of more contracts you would be heavily in the red before it turns around.
     
    #425     Mar 7, 2020
  6. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks


    Then it can be determined if profitability is predicated on solid, scalable setups and acceptable management, or if profitability is based on nominal values and general feelings about money.

    Everything is related.
     
    #426     Mar 7, 2020
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  7. canoe

    canoe

    you guys are batshit insane to be criticizing OP for not increasing contract size enough when he's already attaining his goal of around 2%/day. he's already leveraged 4x employing 1 micro contract with $4000. that is more than enough leverage to employ under these volatility levels.

    these past 2 weeks, there have been countless moments when i was making $1,000 (50 NQ points) with just 1 emini contract in mere seconds. that's how crazy the volatility has been. with 2-3 micros, being down $100-150 instantly isn't even an issue with this volatility. a couple successive losing trades like this can put you down $400 in the blink of an eye and boom, 10% drawdown instantly.

    perhaps you're just criticizing the OP for not following his original plan of scaling up a contract per every $500 but that part of the plan was extremely reckless and naive anyway. the OP probably had no appreciation for volatility and leverage at the time he posted that statement b/c that scaling up plan is basically employing ~36x leverage at a per-contract-basis in which case it'd have only been a matter of time before he was wiped out.

    i'm happy to see that the OP has wised up and is employing responsible leverage.
     
    #427     Mar 7, 2020
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  8. sstheo

    sstheo

    I didn't feel like those shorts went heavily against me. My stop was at 40 ticks (-$20 per micro contract), and it was not breached on any of those trades. And I believe the market structure was a stall after a huge run up, so I expected some profit taking to come in near trade A and trade B, and some initiative selling at C. And that is exactly what we got.

    Now the test will be when I have more than one contract on....
     
    #428     Mar 7, 2020
  9. sstheo

    sstheo

    . . . Proof that there are lots of different ways to look at the market and trading. Thanks. What do you think is sufficient margin for one micro in this current market and in last year's relatively much less-volatile market?
     
    #429     Mar 7, 2020
  10. canoe

    canoe

    that's a somewhat personal question b/c leverage is also dictated by the type of strategy one employs. but for the type of scalping style you employ, my general rule of thumb would be:

    a) no more than 5x during heightened volatility like these past couple weeks
    b) no more than 10x during average and low volatility

    the reason why i don't like to go higher than 10x volatility even during lower-than-average volatility is at that point, you find yourself overexposing yourself trying to force-squeeze profits out of the market and a sudden unpredictable change in markets can vaporize months of profits in an instant.

    anyway, to answer your question, assuming we're talking about MNQ,

    i'd say around $3600 per 1 MNQ contract in current volatility and $1800 during average to low volatility. obviously this shifts slightly as the contract's notional amount changes but you can easily do the math yourself.

    you can make money really, and i mean really, quickly even with just 5-10x leverage. i traded just 1 MNQ contract on a $5200 AMP account this past Tues, Wed, Thurs, and Friday and my profits were, $360, $96, $350, $202 respectively.

    that's a 19.38% return in 4 days of trading employing just 3.46x leverage. seriously, just a small amount of leverage is all it takes to make major bank in this volatility. those guys up there complaining about not going for 3 contracts on a mere $4000 account in this environment seriously have no concept of risk management.
     
    #430     Mar 7, 2020
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