So what do GLOBAL temps look like after you have backed out the FABRICATED data and use the real data? LOL, you will never let us see anything like that.
Lying again, diaper boy? Last time you tried to pull that with the same issue I wiped the floor with you: http://www.elitetrader.com/vB/showthread.php?p=3988925&#post3988925
Data was adjusted to consider the urban heat island effect to make it more accurate and it's only the US which is not the issue. Even with the old less accurate data, the world is rapidly warming. But of course to ignorant deluded righties this proper science method is all part of the grand conspiracy that rattles around the dumb, dark, hysterical recesses of their craniums.
Sure diaper boy. James Hansenâs Former NASA Supervisor Declares Himself a Skeptic Says Hansen âEmbarrassed NASAâ & âWas Never Muzzledâ http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/in...ecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320 James Hansen at NASA was interested in them enough to change them. Also, global temps have paused. Even the IPCC admits it which understandably you can't because you make global warming in your diaper every day.
Ha ha, Hansen a skeptic. Good one moron. Wrong. And he certainly was muzzled by the Bushies. Adjusting for the urban heat island is the correct thing to do and does not change anything with regard to world temps. Fool. World temps have not paused. Since 1997 they have gone up over .25 degrees C. This is a huge rate of increase and certainly not natural. Idiot. And then there is the ocean heat content where over 90% of the earth's heat is. You dumb POS.
Indeed, I don't believe that, as you say, "... government and taxes are evil per se. I also don't believe it is possible to resolve scientific questions by resorting to opinion polls, personalities and insults. There is plenty of room, from my perspective at least, for questions and doubt when it comes to the question of whether man's CO2 emissions are causing an observed temperature increase during the twentieth century. One of the things that everyone can grasp from the proxy record that goes back thousands of years is the obvious cyclical nature of CO2 and temperature. Are we simply near one of those cyclical peaks, or have we caused a peak to appear prematurely? The the period variance of the natural cycles is large enough to incorporate the present temperature CO2 excursion. Two things especially give me pause. One is the time relationship between temperature rise and CO2 rise that Salby has explored. I think that is his major contribution. If his work is correct -- it must be independently refereed -- then temperature rise leads CO2 rise for shorter time scale events such as the observed twentieth century temperature rise. It is difficult to explain how CO2 rise can be causing temperature rise with that phase relationship. Obviously the more common explanation that CO2 rise is increasing temperature is also consistent with most of the data, but it is the time relationship that has to be explained by those who are insisting that CO2 rise is causing temperature to rise. There are a lot of special interests that have a stake in the eventual outcome. The oil industry wants the science to turn out one way, and those who see profit in trading carbon credits or those who went out on a limb and drew early conclusions from the obvious correlation of CO2 and temperature want the science to turn out another way. This latter cohort seems to have made the error of getting emotionally and political involved in what should be a purely scientific question. If we allow for a moment that something other than CO2 is driving up temperature, then is it possible that natural sinking would have sequestered most or all of the additional man made CO2 had temperature not been driven up? Would temperature rise result in an increase in gaseous CO2 regardless of man's contribution? FC raises a point worth considering and that is ocean pH change. I don't recall seeing any data regarding the timing of ocean pH changes relative to rising gaseous CO2 and temperature, but surely there are those looking at this. The recently observed hiatus in integrated temperature rise is also troubling for those predicting positive feedback, and perhaps run-a-way temperature rise, because we aren't seeing a decline yet in CO2. (I'm confident FC will correct me if I'm wrong about this.) I'm still betting that Salby will end up sharing the Nobel Prize twenty years from now for his study of the phase relationships between CO2 rise and temperature. That guy is brilliant! -- though apparently a little hard to get along with. On the other hand, the prize is highly political and a number of worthy recipients have been passed over because they irritated influential colleagues. I'm thinking particularly here of M.J.S. Dewar. So far it would seem to me likely that we are just following another of the historically observed temperature CO2 cycles with only minor interference from man made CO2. That scenario is, so far, consistent with what we observe. (Salby's analysis of the ice core data shows that we don't have to go back hundreds of thousands of years -- as some claim -- to find periods when atmospheric CO2 content was higher.) As is obvious to anyone who takes the time to read my posts, I strongly disagree with those who maintain that this is a settled issue, and that we already know what we need to know to conclude that man made CO2 emissions are driving temperature up. In the end, before we can conclude anything, we have to have a complete picture into which all the pieces fit. We seem to be quite a ways off from that goal.
up .25c? I liked to see where you are getting that baloney from. the reality it is they are down but inside the margin for error... see the chart below... its says - 00.0 or more accurately - .03. virtually no one in high school has experienced global warming all the models predicting warming failed all the models stating CO2 would cause warming if CO2 went up 40% failed dramatically. You agw drone liars... have no science... and they kicked Hansen out because he was bullshitting his ass off and embarrassing the real scientists.
Shortly after the real scientists and astronauts wrote this letter in 2012... NASA got rid of hansen and his misrepresentations. "We believe the claims by NASA and GISS [NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies], that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data," the group wrote. "With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled." http://www.livescience.com/19643-nasa-astronauts-letter-global-warming.html A NASA spokesman confirmed that the agency received the letter on Tuesday (April 11). [Read the full story about the letter] March 28, 2012 The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr. NASA Administrator NASA Headquarters Washington, D.C. 20546-0001 Dear Charlie, We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled. The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASAâs history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements. As former NASA employees, we feel that NASAâs advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASAâs current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself. For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you. Thank you for considering this request. Sincerely, (Attached signatures) CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack â JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years /s/ Larry Bell â JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years /s/ Dr. Donald Bogard â JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years /s/ Jerry C. Bostick â JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years /s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman â JSC, Scientist â astronaut, 5 years /s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years /s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox â JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. 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