16 years 9 months, crazy fast global warming

Discussion in 'Politics' started by futurecurrents, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. jem

    jem

    Australia and Canada decide to take a path of climate realism


    Posted on June 10, 2014 by Anthony Watts
    Prime Minister Tony Abbott with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper both say there is no need for carbon pricing to combat climate change.Australia And Canada Form Climate Realist Alliance
    Ottawa Citizen, 9 June 2014
    Mark Kennedy
    The political leaders of Canada and Australia declared on Monday they won’t take any action to battle climate change that harms their national economies and threatens jobs.

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Australian counterpart, Tony Abbott, made the statements following a meeting on Parliament Hill.



    Posted on June 8, 2014 by Anthony Watts
    Bureaucracy, the rule of no one, has become the modern form of despotism. – Mary McCarthy

    Guest essay by Dr. Tim Ball

    The Daily Mail headline says, “Canada bans government meteorologists from talking about climate change.” It implies government censorship, but is actually another part of the political battle over global warming. It is reminiscent of James Hansen’s false claim that the Bush White House was muzzling him. John Theon, his NASA boss at the time, says in a US Senate Report it was untrue. There is always a story behind a headline and it is rarely what the media report or imply. This Canadian story forewarns of the problems of controlling bureaucracy. Continue reading →


    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/...a-product-of-bureaucratic-political-activity/
     
    #91     Jun 11, 2014

  2. We went through this already jerm, only 0.3 % expressly said that man has caused most of the warming over the last fifty years. Just like a similar percentage of biology papers expressly say that evolution is responsible for the current state of living organisms. A basic scientific fact is not repeated in every paper within that science.

    You are being intellectually dishonest. I call it lying.
     
    #92     Jun 11, 2014
  3. The scientific authors of the papers were also contacted and asked to rate their own papers, and again over 97% whose papers took a position on the cause said humans are causing global warming.
     
    #93     Jun 11, 2014
  4. Scientific organizations endorsing the consensus
    The following scientific organizations endorse the consensus position that "most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities":

    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    American Astronomical Society
    American Chemical Society
    American Geophysical Union
    American Institute of Physics
    American Meteorological Society
    American Physical Society
    Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
    British Antarctic Survey
    Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
    Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Environmental Protection Agency
    European Federation of Geologists
    European Geosciences Union
    European Physical Society
    Federation of American Scientists
    Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
    Geological Society of America
    Geological Society of Australia
    Geological Society of London
    International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA)
    International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
    National Center for Atmospheric Research
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    Royal Meteorological Society
    Royal Society of the UK
    The Academies of Science from 80 different countries all endorse the consensus.

    NAS consensus

    13 countries have signed a joint statement endorsing the consensus position:

    Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
    Royal Society of Canada
    Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Academie des Sciences (France)
    Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
    Indian National Science Academy
    Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
    Science Council of Japan
    Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
    Russian Academy of Sciences
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Royal Society (United Kingdom)
    National Academy of Sciences (USA) (12 Mar 2009 news release)
    A letter from 18 scientific organizations to US Congress states:

    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science."
    The consensus is also endorsed by a Joint statement by the Network of African Science Academies (NASAC), including the following bodies:

    African Academy of Sciences
    Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    Madagascar's National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
    Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
    Zambia Academy of Sciences
    Sudan Academy of Sciences
    Other Academies of Sciences that endorse the consensus:

    Australian Academy of Science
    Royal Society of New Zealand
    Polish Academy of Sciences
     
    #94     Jun 11, 2014
  5. No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists,[10] which in 2007[11] updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
     
    #95     Jun 11, 2014
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Although Salby's observation that CO2 concentration is lagging but beautifully correlated with the integrated temperature is quite convincing that temperature fluctuations are not primarily caused by CO2 concentration changes. (It could be the other way around.) Until one can explain how a CO2 caused temperature increase could result in the observed phase relationship, one has no choice but to question the idea that CO2 is the main factor controlling temperature.

    Additionally, we have learned that natural sourcing and sinking of CO2 is far greater (two orders) than the amount of CO2 added from Man's use of fossil fuels. And on top of that the latest studies find evidence seeming to indicate that the biosphere responds far more rapidly to CO2 concentration changes than was previously guessed. In the 1980s it was necessary to make reasonable guesses for all these numbers, but now the new satellite data is showing us that some of our guesses were far off. I think it is going to be "back to the drawing board" to re-think this entire business.

    Sadly, some of the key players got emotionally involved, and their pride is apparently interfering with their science. And then you have those like the Koch brothers and Gore getting involved and trying to influence popular opinion. That certainly hasn't helped one bit.
     
    #96     Jun 11, 2014
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    "Additionally, we have learned that natural sourcing and sinking of CO2 is far greater (two orders) than the amount of CO2 added from Man's use of fossil fuels."

    So the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is falling much faster than we thought?
     
    #97     Jun 11, 2014
  8. fhl

    fhl

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    #98     Jun 11, 2014

  9. Just amazing..you keep forgetting that CO2 can lead or lag, why do you keep forgetting that CO2 is a greenhouse gas? ..and again with this Salby crap study that is not relevant. Unbelievable.

    Maybe you did not read this the first ten times I posted it.....


    "From the foregoing, it is clear that CO2 is the key atmospheric gas that exerts principal control (80% of the non-condensing GHG forcing) over the strength of the terrestrial greenhouse effect. Water vapor and clouds are fast-acting feedback effects, and as such, they are controlled by the radiative forcing supplied by the non-condensing GHGs.

    The bottom line is that atmospheric carbon dioxide acts as a thermostat in regulating the temperature of Earth. The rapid increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide due to human industrial activity is therefore setting the course for continued global warming. Because of the large heat capacity of the climate system, the global surface temperature does not respond instantaneously to the sharp upturn of the carbon dioxide thermostat, which at this moment stands at 386.80 ppm compared to the normal interglacial maximum level of 280 ppm. Since humans are responsible for changing the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide, they then also have control over the global temperature of the Earth."

    http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/lacis_01/
     
    #99     Jun 11, 2014
  10. fhl

    fhl

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    #100     Jun 11, 2014