16-Delta is the "sweet spot" for short put?

Discussion in 'Options' started by turkeyneck, Jun 13, 2023.

  1. IMO strike = $16 off of the current underlying spot, ie. subtract or add, depending on the context.
    This then would mean that the title of the thread "16-Delta is the "sweet spot" for short put?" is dependent on the spot... ie. is then not generally valid...

    But one can interpret it also in a different way (and maybe that was intended by them):
    get the ATM Greeks, then compute x = 16 / delta, then strike = spot + x (or spot - x, depending on context), meaning to take the nearest strike from the chain table to that computed strike.
     
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    #11     Jun 13, 2023
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    #12     Jun 13, 2023
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  4. taowave

    taowave

    I'm too lazy to open up the link,but there is no way the 16 delta put is the way to go,and there is no chance it outperforms the underlying..

    I doubt it outperforms on a delta adjusted basis
     
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    #14     Jun 13, 2023
  5. taowave

    taowave

    That would make very little sense and the Deltas would be all over the place..

    If anything,it could be 116% of spot..but I doubt it


     
    #15     Jun 13, 2023
  6. mervyn

    mervyn

    Not the same, spy I can take assignments by closing the long leg, waiting for rebounds. Cash settled is cash out of account balance, a lose that can’t be recovered.
     
    #16     Jun 13, 2023
  7. What about this:
    get the ATM Greeks, then compute x = 16 / delta, then strike = spot + x (or spot - x, depending on context), meaning to take the nearest strike from the chain table to that computed strike.
     
    #17     Jun 14, 2023
  8. SPX and SPY have about the same relative performance, whereby SPY is about 1/10 of SPX.
    The main differences are:
    American Style (SPX) vs European Style (SPY)
    Cash Settled (SPX) vs Physical Delivery (SPY)

    Here's much more info about the differences between SPX and SPY: https://www.projectfinance.com/spx-vs-spy/
    It says "For settlement type, SPX appears to be the clear winner in the eyes of most traders". Hmm. I don't think so.

    I think you mean the Early Assignment risk with American Style when you are short the options. In this case the position gets closed and you have no chance for rebounds. But Early Assignment is not possible with European Style, ie. in case of SPY.
     
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    #18     Jun 14, 2023
  9. taowave

    taowave

    Seems to be needlessly complicated..Why reinvent the wheel?

    I would stick with Delta or Percent if Spot and decide if you want to have an IV strike effect..


     
    #19     Jun 14, 2023
  10. Just give an example to grasp it finally.
     
    #20     Jun 14, 2023