1200 kids killed by guns since Parkland (one year ago)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You liberals don't care about black people. If you did, the narrative would be around stopping gang crime and inner city violence.

    All you guys want is their votes every four years or so. That's the extent of your caring.
     
    #31     Feb 13, 2019
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  2. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    “We’re not looking for a fair fight,” Bill Jones, the principal, said in an interview. “We’re looking at an overwhelming advantage.”
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    Florida School Hires 2 Combat Veterans to Take Down Active Shooters
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    Manatee School for the Arts, a charter school for middle and high school students in Palmetto, Fla., is employing combat veterans who carry Glock handguns and semiautomatic rifles.CreditCreditTiffany Tompkins/Bradenton Herald
    By Christina Caron

    • Feb. 11, 2019
    By the end of February, the students at Manatee School for the Arts in Palmetto, Fla., will see two combat veterans in body armor roaming the grounds, each carrying a 9-millimeter Glock handgun and a semiautomatic rifle with a 17-inch barrel.

    If an armed intruder were to enter the campus, “we’re not looking for a fair fight,” Bill Jones, the principal, said in an interview. “We’re looking at an overwhelming advantage.”

    Legislation passed after the Parkland massacre last year requires schools in Florida to have at least one “safe-school officer.” Manatee School for the Arts, a charter for 2,100 middle and high school students, is the only school in Manatee County that chose to hire guards who carry rifles, according to the Manatee County Sheriff’s Department, which trained the guards.

    “It’s just a much more effective weapon than the handgun is,” Dr. Jones said.

    The decision to patrol with long guns is “very unusual,” said Michael Dorn, the executive director of Safe Havens International, which has performed security assessments at dozens of public school systems throughout Florida, including three of the state’s largest school districts.

    Mr. Dorn said he was not aware of any school guards in the United States who openly carry long guns, though it is not unusual in some areas overseas.

    “It’s not something that we typically advise our clients to do for a variety of reasons,” he added, in part because someone might knock out the officer and take the weapon, and it’s more difficult to subdue and handcuff an assailant while carrying a long gun.

    Manatee School for the Arts is also adding a guard shack to its entrance and will raise its perimeter fencing by two feet.

    Florida’s bill, named the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act after the school where the Parkland shooting occurred a year ago this week, gave schools the option of choosing between a school resource officer, who is employed by a law enforcement agency; a school safety officer, who is employed by either a law enforcement agency or by the district school board; or a school guardian, a school employee trained to stop lethal attacks.

    Last year, an Associated Press survey found that nine of the state’s 67 countywide school districts were supplementing officers by employing full-time guardians. The survey did not specify the type of weapons the guards would be using.

    “We have guardians in almost all of our elementary schools, and in most of our charter schools,” said Michael Barber, a spokesman for the School District of Manatee County.

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    After Parkland, a New Surge in State Gun Control Laws
    On the heels of the Florida massacre, at least half of the states enacted at least one gun control measure in 2018.

    Dec. 14, 2018

    The district’s public middle and high schools have school resource officers, he added.

    Manatee School for the Arts hired one guardian with 15 years of infantry experience who has now been on campus for a couple of months, Dr. Jones said. A second guardian, also a combat veteran, is finishing his training and will begin working this month, he added.

    Guardians are required to complete at least 132 hours of firearm safety and proficiency training.

    Dr. Jones said the school hired combat veterans because he wanted guards who wouldn’t hesitate to go after a gunman.

    “I don’t want this to be the first time they’ve had someone shooting at them,” he said.

    So far, Dr. Jones said, “most parents have been very accepting.”

    To assuage safety concerns about the high-powered weapons, the school requires its guardians to keep the chambers of their Kel-Tec RDB semiautomatic rifles empty, and the guns are not stored on campus.

    The presence of an armed guard doesn’t necessarily deter violence. During the shooting last February that left 17 in Parkland dead, there was an armed school resource officer standing by the door to the building who was later widely criticized for not entering. (He said he thought at the time that the gunman was outside.)

    And in 2016, a teacher in Michigan was grazed in the neck by a bullet when a school resource officer negligently fired his gun. And in some cases, agitated students have grabbed officers’ guns, even while the guns were in holsters.

    Dr. Jones estimated that the total cost of the new security measures would be close to $200,000 for the 2018-19 school year, and said the armed guards would earn a yearly salary of about $50,000. It “substantially exceeds” the money received from the state, he added.

    Despite the heightened fear over school shootings, active shooters are statistically rare.

    Unintentional injury, which includes traffic accidents and drowning, is the leading cause of death for American school-age children.

    “Our mind-set is so locked into the rare but truly catastrophic active-shooter event,” Mr. Dorn said.

    On school property, students and school employees are more likely to die by suicide than a mass shooting, he added.

    Spending a lot of money to arm security officers addresses only one type of school safety concern, said Amanda Klinger, the director of operations at the Educator’s School Safety Network, an organization that trains educators and administrators in violence-prevention measures.

    “We don’t know that those security interventions will stop the things that they’re seeking to stop,” Ms. Klinger said. “My question is, what else are they doing to keep kids safe in schools? What are they doing to keep kids safe from risks or threats other than active shooters?”
     
    #32     Feb 13, 2019
  3. I just looked up the school web site. it enrolls 2100 kids, add the faculty probably we are talking a total of 2200 people. do you think only 2 armed (let say well trained) guards will be able to handle the security? this is just a stupid and honestly riskier stop gap to handle an issue which requires other solutions such as better counseling and better mental health services. hire better counselors and train the teachers (pay them more so they can care more) to recognize signs of mental issues such as depression, bullying, and environment which provides inclusivity. engage the parents of the students which seem to have issues and so may other things that can be done to actually address the problem rather than the symptoms.
    Armed guards are not the solution and I think they will create anxiety amongst the kids which in the long term could cause more problems.
     
    #33     Feb 13, 2019
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Should we simply have one unarmed school resource officer instead.

    Obviously this is a step up and improvement from the former situation and allows for rapid reaction to a school shooter situation.
     
    #34     Feb 13, 2019
  5. they had an armed guard at parkland, what happened there??
     
    #35     Feb 13, 2019
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The coward deputy failed to respond. He lost his job, Florida wants to take his pension, and he probably still will be indicted.

    The two security monitors at the school were also fired by the school board.

    Florida Judge Rules Deputy Had Duty to Protect in Parkland School Shooting Suit
    https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2018/12/14/512142.htm

    Parkland shooting: Armed school resource officer 'never went in' to school during shooting
    The sheriff said the revelation made him "sick to my stomach. There are no words I mean these families lost their children."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...urce-officer-never-went-school-during-n850441

    Parkland school resource officer decried as coward gets princely pension of $8,702 a month
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/p...and-shooting-pension-scot-peterson/index.html

    Stoneman Douglas security guards fired by Broward school board
    Andrew Medina, David Taylor released after pulled from reassignment list
    https://www.local10.com/news/parkla...security-guards-fired-by-broward-school-board
     
    #36     Feb 13, 2019
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I gotta nominate this one for the ET lefty Hall of Fame.
     
    #37     Feb 13, 2019
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  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #38     Mar 24, 2019
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The teen suicide rate and general population suicide rate is much lower in the United States than in other countries with strict gun control laws such as Japan, Finland, Austria, South Korea and France.

    Trying to blame guns as the cause for teen suicides simply does not fly.
     
    #39     Mar 25, 2019
  10. Hand guns and assault rifles need to be banned. Severe penalties for possesion or manufacture.
     
    #40     Mar 25, 2019