12 year old Yemeni dies during birth - Islamic law rules

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  1. 12-Year-Old Yemeni Child Dies During Child Birth

    Born to impoverished parents, Fawziya was forced to drop out of school when she was married off to a man twice her age, al-Qureshi said.

    While child bride are commonplace in Yemen, the city from which Fawziya came, Hodeidah young girls are given up for marriage as a tribal custom in alarming numbers. More than half of young Yemeni girls are force to marry before the age of 18, often times to much older men.

    The young girls death comes at time when a 10-year-old girl from Yemen, Nujood Ali, was married to man who beat and raped her shortly after the marriage ceremony.

    In February, the Yemeni parliament tried to to set a minimum age of 17 to marry, but the notion was rejected by parliamentarians who believe the proposal violated Islamic law, which requires no age limit.
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  2. The girl was already an old maid compared to mohammeds wife Aisha who he married at the ripe old age of SIX! Thats right...6 years old. The Quran said he saw her playing with her dolls and he asked the father to let him marry her.

    Mohammed was about 50 at the time...
     
  3. Wow! Could you please direct me to which verse of the Quran discussed Aisha's age? there is nothing easier than spreading mish information when the general public of this forum do not really know the Quran.

    In addition, I am sure you are aware of the Jewish Talmud. Can you explain the following to me please.

    Moses' Commands for pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls do count against the Bible!

    As shown in the quotes below:
    "....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."

    "....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."

    "Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

    "A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."

    Please pay attention to the bolded and underlined parts below:
    The following was taken from http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/guido_deimel/judaism.html regarding Numbers 31:17-18 in the Bible:

    "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

    Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility
    [M.Nid. 5:4].
    Sanhedrin 7/55B

    [132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/guido_deimel/judaism.html#132

    You people are gunho about the padophile Mohamed while hiding your sick and sadistic secrets?

    Why won't you and a_person have the intelectual honesty of exposing these crimes committed by the Jewish prophet?

    Regards,

    Sameeh
     
  4. The basis for these rulings is the following Mishnaic passage of Tractate Niddah (filth):



    A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
    And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her.


    And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
    If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
    (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]



    Thus, one "of the many important issues worked out in the Mishnah concerns proper conduct with women," [135] and the "entire society of Judaism – that is, the community formed by the Torah – found in the Talmud those modes of thought and inquiry, those media of order and value, that guided the formation of public affairs and private life as well." [136]

    While it is reassuring to see there was at least some limit as to what the sages would declare holy and moral, this ruling had severe implications on the interpretation of other topics as well. The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:



    "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).
    [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
    But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood." [137]




    According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]


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    Bibliography:

    [131] Ibid., vol.XXI.A-D, Tractate Bava Mesia, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1990, p.ix-x.

    [132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.

    [133] Ibid., vol.XXV.A, Tractate Abodah Zarah, 1991, 168. Emphasis original.

    [134] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia. A complete outline, Part IV. The Division of Holy Things. B. Number 37. 1995, 704.

    [135] Neusner 1993, 41.

    [136] Neusner 1995, 7.

    [137] Kuhn 1959, §157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.

    [138] Ibid., §157, footnote 86, 653.
     
  5. Why is it that when it came to Islam and Mohamed, many of you were gunho but are completely silent about Moses ordering the Israelites to rape EVERY little girl and kill every little boy?

    Regards,

    Sameeh
     
  6. Yeah, but you do have to give 'ol Moe a little credit.... After all, he <i>did</i> wait until she turned nine before he fucked her.
     
  7. I sure wish religious people could think rationally so they would know that having sex with children is wrong.
     
  8. A Pedophile he was! though that was 1500 years ago and the moral code was different from what it is right now. Question is, you guys made a big deal about the sick act of him marrying her at 7 years old (Not 6 years old as one member claimed). But what about killing the men and women and boys of your enemy and then raping all of the three years old and younger girls?

    If one wanted to really take the moral high ground, that person should've started with his own house first, otherwise, he/she should've kept his/ her mouth shut...Right Rearden?

    Regards,

    Sameeh
     
  9. while religiosity and rational thinking are oxymorons there is only one major religion left on the planet that promotes fucking 9 year old girls, honor killings, hanging gays, stoning adulterers, executions of religious converts...
     

  10. Kitab Al-Nikah
    Book 008, Number 3310:
    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.


    Written by the girl herself!
     
    #10     Sep 15, 2009