1000 QQQ SSF trading is better than NQ.

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by Fohat, Nov 26, 2002.

  1. Fohat

    Fohat

    Yes. Commissions for trading NQ are 300% the 1000 QQQ ssf commissions, no matter how many contracts you trade.

    QQQ SSF has 20% margin requirement (= 5:1 leverage), while NQ has up to 5% daytrading leverage.

    If you want more than 5:1 leverage you can trade NQ and pay 300% the QKQ commissions. But why would you trade with more than 5:1 leverage? It's bad money management imo.
    For example, if you use 10:1 leverage, an event (such as: war with Iraq, terrorist attack etc.) could halt trading and the market may gap 10% or more lower, triggering automatic position liquidation and whiping out your account. With 4:1 leverage you can survive 20% market drop.


    Trading 5 NQ is equivalent to trading 4 QKQ, not to1, as you suggest:

    Trading 5 NQ = trading 4000 QQQ shares = Trading 4 QKQ (1000 QQQ ssf)

    Commissions for 5 NQ = 5*$2.40= $12, that's 3 times more than the commissions for 4 QKQ = $4.

    If you switch from NQ to QKQ (1000 QQQ SSF), you'll pay 3 times less in commissions. That's big savings(instant profit).

    That's why volume will pick up. When volume increases, spreads will narrow.

    1 cent QQQ move = $10, when you trade QKQ futures. 10 cent move is $100 for 1 contract.
     
    #11     Nov 27, 2002
  2. Quah

    Quah

    Why do you continue to ignore the tax advantage of NQ vs. the SSF?

    That more than takes care of the difference in commissions - not to mention the savings in paperwork.
     
    #12     Nov 27, 2002
  3. qqq, 100, 1000, or even 10000 will never get even with the NQ
    because liquidity will always be only in the NQ's.

    the only solution which would make this discussion obsolete
    would be if the CME would finally introduce real NDX futures
    on globex. it's really time for this...
     
    #13     Nov 27, 2002
  4. Ditch

    Ditch

    I think it's about time the CME lowers it's fees on the e-mini's to a more apropriate level, let's say $1/contract:)
     
    #14     Nov 27, 2002
  5. Bullet

    Bullet

    CHEEKS,

    HOOK EM HORNS!!
     
    #15     Nov 27, 2002
  6. Especially the NQ where we have to trade 2.5x as many contracts in order to get somewhere!
     
    #16     Nov 27, 2002
  7. this am but what is the symbol on IB for the new

    1000 share QQQ SSF from
    NQLX ?
     
    #17     Nov 27, 2002
  8. IB doesn't have it on the system. My guess is they are trying to figure out what the implications will be if they charge $1 a contract for such a large underlying value.

    It might end up cannibalizing their NQ biz.
     
    #18     Nov 27, 2002
  9. Spark

    Spark

    But you can't trade QQQ 24 hrs as NQ does....
     
    #19     Nov 27, 2002
  10. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    Eurex has already done that. Fee's there are around $0.40 I believe, and there is no difference between members and non members. It will never happen in Chicago though as long as the floor controls what happens.

    Brandon
     
    #20     Nov 27, 2002