10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion

With respect karol, you are not following me.
You are incorrect in saying I call your observations of the happy couple delusional. Perhaps you might go back and notice I never did that.

Quite the opposite. Your observation is about those people who are existing in fact. Evidence of a happy couple actual and occurring in reality. In that way your observation cannot be described as illusionary nor delusional.

If they say to you their lives are fulfilled because of God, and therefore you notice that is the reason for their happiness then fine. I would not argue with that . There will be no cause to say they are delusional about their fulfilment and happiness or whatever, so long as what makes them happy harms no one.

Observing people is one thing. To then look for a reason why people are happy, why they cope under duress and for them and you or I to simply attribute it all to something a world of difference away from the reality of those first observations is I suggest, completely insufficient.

The reason for all this well being is something not evidenced nor occurring in fact . The people are . The happiness and wellbeing is. The attribution to the reason is. But a crucial ingredient in all this, the reason itself , is not evidenced as your observations are.

Worse, it is a reason made valid only on an assumption of something that would generally be considered psychosis outside of being made politically correct by the word religion.

The reason of itself is the delusion.
If God is not delusional then you might as well get rid of the word. Nothing is more delusional than a Giant Mystical Elf in the form of an Invisible Friend making some people feel happy content and fulfilled..

 

How many times do I have to write it to you. I am not arguing that science proves there is a God. Nor am I arguing that because there is a Gap there is a God or that there may even be a God in the gap. You brought the gap into it and I explained why you were wrong; using your own analogy. You still did not get it.

I have simply stated that science can not help you nor any other person prove there is no God. (at this point in time).


Because you hate faith so much your brain creates non sequitur after non sequitur.

I now realize you do not comprehend the most basic points of logic or science.

I always thought you were smart and and just a pain the ass person who hated to see people have any faith.

Now I know you really do not understand logic or science. I may cease responding to you because I realize there is no point in insulting with facts.

 

That one is a real looie.
You say science can not prove a Creator does not exist therefore it does support someone who you think will say God does not exist.
Stunning logic you have there jem.

Dear me jem, you're a mess.

If you could “comprehend the most basic points of logic or science”, one would think it more pertinent to first notice religion, which is supposed to be all about God , can't even prove that God does exist.
It is not the job of science to prove or disprove non scientific concepts.
Talk about non sequitur.

 

now you have resorted to making comments on out of context quotes.

I do not even read you silly writing any more.


Science (as it exists today) is not on the side of atheist.

and you can not prove there is no creator.

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Nothing you do can change those facts.

Science is not on the side of the atheist. Notice that period -- has nothing to say about science being on the side of the creator.

 

stu, I'm giving up, this is pointless...I'm not even getting some of your points!
nevertheless, I just spoke to some non religious physicists about this subject, and to my surprise they all agree that there must be "something" whether we call it God or 'nature'....once you get to know all there is you realize that there must be some hidden force to put these things in motion....something like that (sorry, I wish I could articulate myself better, but my English knowledge is still limited )
Since you put your faith in science, there is something to think about....

 

bs. there is no reason to be so uninformed. the knowlwdge is out there if you really want to learn. if you "need" to believe then there is probably not much hope. start here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

 

thank you, I will watch it, (I just saw its 2h) .... 'hope'? I don't have a 'need' to change, nor a 'need' to believe, I believe, I always did....but I'm also always willing to learn something new

 

Your quotes were never in context to start with.


"Science (as it exists today) is not on the side of atheist."
"Science does support atheism."

Which one are you going to go for Einstein?

You cannot prove I can't.
Is it religious cognisance prohibiting you from understanding how the answer is every bit as significant as the question?

 

You said you were willing to learn. Do you do that by giving up?

My point is a very simple one and it is this ...
God is nothing more than unfounded opinion held in the face of evidence to the contrary.
So to use God seriously, as a real or possible reason for anything which you actually observe, is delusional.

If God in that way is not delusional, nothing is, and there is no need for the word.

What point don't you get about that?

...but as one who is willing to learn, you didn't even ask yourself why must there be "something" ?

Earlier you jumped to conclusion about what I do and don't understand. Now you tell me what I have faith in. No wonder you don't get the point.

 

of course not....you love to debate, don't you?

stu, until now I didn't know this was your favorite subject. Arguing with you is pointless, chances are you will reject, criticize everything I say, and always find something to turn against me. This and the fact that you're knowledgeable about this subject, makes it difficult to debate...I doubt I can come up with any logical proof that will satisfy you. Believe me or not, despite my "blind" faith (which didn't originate because of knowledge, i was too young to understand)...there are things I disagree and wonder about...but the faith is still there, it won't go away. There is nothing to argue about. call it delusional, glad to know your opinion.

what are you gaining by writing an essay to prove me that my belief is delusional? unless of course you think that once I get all your points I will lose my faith....it won't do much because I already accepted your point of view, yet you still find things to argue about....I given up, you should be happy!

I'm not the one taking physics classes....scientists ask these questions until it doesn't go anywhere....obviously I'm not one, doesn't mean one must ask these questions in order to learn something

hey, hey, I already apologized for the earlier remark, and now you're bringing it back up. You're saying "God is nothing more than unfounded opinion held in the face of evidence to the contrary" what evidence? You must have faith in some sort of evidence then?

BTW: now this is only an assumption (!!!): you're trying to find any argument there is against the existence of God ...it almost makes me think that most likely you've been a believer at one time, and was let down?

karol <= prepares to be attacked for this one